IRS guilty, ordered to pay 3.5 million to conservatives..

[vengeful]

From the linked Opinion piece

"But the Obama White House announced a couple years later that nobody within the IRSwould be prosecuted — that the whole matter was one of poor management, but not political targeting. Sadly, the Justice Department under President Donald Trump declined to take a second look at the leading IRS instigator, Lois Lerner, the woman who headed up the office within the agency that fielded nonprofit applications."

Progressives were targeted as well if memory serves me correctly, just that conservative groups were targeted more.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Progressives were targeted as well if memory serves me correctly, just that conservative groups were targeted more.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...irs-target-liberal-groups-20171004-story.html

That earlier report found that 96 groups with names referencing "Tea Party," "Patriot" or "9/12" were selected for intensive review, and the House Ways and Means Committee later identified another 152 right-leaning groups that were subjected to scrutiny. Those findings fueled accusations by Republican lawmakers that the Obama administration engaged in politically motivated targeting of conservatives.

. . .

The new TIGTA report examines a broader range of criteria used by the IRS at the time, including groups affiliated with the now-defunct Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, as well as others referencing "Progressive," "Green Energy," "Medical Marijuana" and "Occupy."

Together, the watchdog identified 146 cases in which the IRS examined left-leaning groups for suspicion of engaging in disallowed political activity. Eighty-three of those were definitively chosen for scrutiny because of the selection criteria, the inspector general found; the report could not definitively determine how the other cases were chosen.

More baseless anti-obama conspiracy theories from right wing nuts.

 

[kpt018]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...irs-target-liberal-groups-20171004-story.html



More baseless anti-obama conspiracy theories from right wing nuts.

This. If the selection criteria was based on names the difference between audit selection could be explained by conservative groups using more political sounding names than liberal groups. But after the investigations were done it seems pretty clear that it was either bad mismanagement or unethical scrutiny by IRS employees.

But of course that won't stop the tin foil hat types from spreading conspiracy theories.

 

[kpt018]

Obama's legacy is not aging well

That's not true. Obama's ratings have been going up with every political group, even conservatives.

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

So another @Bloodworth thread debunked. You think he'd learn by now.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

this was obvious to anyone w/ a pair of eyes

 

[Bloodworth]

Meh, not really and still not proof he ordered it or the dems.

They just said he gave the IRS more power through his

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...irs-target-liberal-groups-20171004-story.html



More baseless anti-obama conspiracy theories from right wing nuts.

You guys are always defending....

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

They just said he gave the IRS more power through his


You guys are always defending....

You guys are always coming up with crazy conspiracy theories.

Left leaning groups were also audited. Conservative groups are just snowflakes with extreme victim complex.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Because they were targeted in 2013 that somehow disrupted them in 2012?

Not even close.

The IRS targeting of conservative groups began in the lead-up to the 2012 election.

Here's a breakdown of the actual IRS targeting scandal. Everything has its full sources and citations:





If you honestly believe what you replied to me, then you need to seriously reevaluate the news that you consume. Because what you stated is a bald-faced lie.

 

[Islam Imamate]

If you honestly believe what you replied to me, then you need to seriously reevaluate the news that you consume.

Coming from a guy who just posted Molyneux as his source that's laughable.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Coming from a guy who just posted Molyneux as his source that's laughable.

Everything in the videos have full sources and citations.

Attacking the source of information is a sign that you're unable to counter the information.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Your logical fallacy is:

ad hominem
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.

Example: After Sally presents an eloquent and compelling case for a more equitable taxation system, Sam asks the audience whether we should believe anything from a woman who isn't married, was once arrested, and smells a bit weird.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Everything in the videos have full sources and citations.

Attacking the source of information is a sign that you're unable to counter the information.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Your logical fallacy is:

ad hominem
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.

Example: After Sally presents an eloquent and compelling case for a more equitable taxation system, Sam asks the audience whether we should believe anything from a woman who isn't married, was once arrested, and smells a bit weird.

I'm not going to watch nearly 50 minutes of Molyneux spouting off but he abuses his sources and is pretty disingenuous overall. If you want to see someone who actually did go through his sources and poked holes in his BS here's an example of someone refuting his video on the fall of Rome.

Its not short so I don't expect you to watch it but the point is just because he has citations doesn't mean they're accurate or being represented accurately. The guy has his agenda and he's not afraid to twist sources to push it.

 

[lilelvis]

Coming from a guy who just posted Molyneux as his source that's laughable.

Too late

 

[Jack V Savage]

Of course Bloodworth would twist this story into some partisan hack job but at the end of the day this happened under Obama's watch so he ultimately shoulders some of the blame regardless of the extent of his involvement as far as I'm concerned.

The IRS operations are kept separate from the president specifically to avoid any undue influence. So, no, it's totally inappropriate to put any blame on him. Also, note that the source of this is the Washington Times. A more legit story on it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/us/politics/irs-tea-party-lawsuit-settlement.html

While the I.R.S. acknowledged wrongly targeting groups based on political leanings, a report this month found that behavior crossed party lines. The Treasury Department’s inspector general reported that the I.R.S. had also targeted groups with liberal and progressive leanings, flagging organization names with terms that included “Progressive” and “Occupy.”

So the CT version of the story is false. Story also notes that Obama demanded the resignation of the acting IRS commissioner at the time.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Molyneux is sourced.

I know, he loves to abuse and twist his sources though.

The IRS operations are kept separate from the president specifically to avoid any undue influence. So, no, it's totally inappropriate to put any blame on him. Also, note that the source of this is the Washington Times. A more legit story on it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/us/politics/irs-tea-party-lawsuit-settlement.html



So the CT version of the story is false. Story also notes that Obama demanded the resignation of the acting IRS commissioner at the time.

Well, then I take it back then.

 

[nac386]

Based on the article, it says the IRS admitted they were wrong in 2013, but the Obama admin decided let them off the hook. Doesn't look like the ordered it, but eh

The TS linked an opinion article, from the "rapid reactions" segment. Rapid indeed, since it does not sound like a whole lot of thought went into writing the article.

I would read the article linked by @Jack V Savage for the non-Bloodworthed version of the story (aka, a factual article, not an opinion piece).

 

[Bloodworth]

You guys are always coming up with crazy conspiracy theories.

Left leaning groups were also audited. Conservative groups are just snowflakes with extreme victim complex.

So the court case ruling has no merit?

Just like the 2 FBI agents who would have done anything in their power to prevent trump from being president.

There are also crazy liberals at Facebook at the IRS. In the media, and at colleges
That would do anything undehanded to go against trump.

They block conservatives on YouTube, and with all their sneaky illegal and undermined ways they still lost .


And the reality Is they are such a small percentage of the population, it's just that they yell and bitch so loud you would think there were more

 

[Jack V Savage]

Everything in the videos have full sources and citations.

Attacking the source of information is a sign that you're unable to counter the information.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Your logical fallacy is:

ad hominem

It would be a fallacy if @Kafir-kun were making a *logical* claim--that anything Molyneux said necessarily must be false. To say (or imply) that a source has been found to be untrustworthy and thus needs better corroboration is not a fallacy. It's the reverse of the "argument from authority fallacy" fallacy. To say that an expert's claim logically must be true is a fallacy, but to say that an expert's claim is more likely to be true than that of someone who knows nothing about a subject is a true claim.

Also note that the liberal and conservative groups that were targeted for audits continued to operate. So there's no issue of interference in the election. I would also note that the designation was not supposed to apply to political groups, which is why those terms were searched for in the first place. The whole matter is an enforcement failure by the IRS, which they tried to remedy with short-cuts.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

So the court case ruling has no merit?

Just like the 2 FBI agents who would have done anything in their power to prevent trump from being president.

There are also crazy liberals at Facebook at the IRS. In the media, and at colleges
That would do anything undehanded to go against trump.

They block conservatives on YouTube, and with all their sneaky illegal and undermined ways they still lost .


And they reality Is they are such a small percentage of the population, it's just that they yell and bitch so loud you would think there were more

So are you choosing to ignore that 140+ left leaning groups were also targeted?

 

[Bloodworth]

So are you choosing to ignore that 140+ left leaning groups were also targeted?

No you are ignoring the court ruling.

They were told specifically to go after tea party members and patriotic groups .

Thats like a terrorist bombing a public space and you saying but muslims were killed to, its ok