Inch By Inch, Daniel Cormier Is The GOAT Light Heavyweight Ever

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Funny, I don't remember Jones getting flatlined and nearly KO'd.

Not to mention but Jones won an unanimous decision, while Cormier won a split decision. So you're empirically wrong.



Jones was so scared of DC and mentally unprepared for him that he fought him on a split second notice at a press conference lol

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Jones is 3-0 over Cormier. Sorry that hurts your soul.

Nothing but facts my man. Many people forget jones actually beat dc 3 times.

 

[Money509]

Geez, look at Jones's muscle tone compared to his early fights. Cheat city.

He was actually smaller looking in the second DC fight than he was before. There was a ton of threads on that alone before the fight.

 

[Mga223]

DC is a small LHW?


What in the damn hell

 

[Tylerlikesmma]

but a chemically enhanced Jones beat him twice!! clearly roided Jones is best eva. there is certainly no glaring flaw whatsoever in my logic when I point to Jones' two wins over Cormier as evidence of D.C. not being LHW GOAT.

 

[HIMBOB]

He has 1 loss and it was a decision against a twice caught drug cheat.
Undefeated at HW.

Those undisputable facts = lhw goat imo.

 

[Kirin]

The two are not mutually exclusive. Logic.

Logic? How is this logical?
I'm the most talented in this competitive endeavour, but in order to win I need to cheat, thereby running the risk of getting caught and censured, which happened twice.


Yeah...that makes a lot of sense

 

[Ancient Warrior]

Also, Daniel Cormier beat Gustafson (who is a much taller fighter than DC), so that blows your argument out of the water.

Jon Jones is the best talent MMA has ever had. His record and the tape match. LOL

Too bad his bloodwork doesn’t match.

I’d like to see Jones/Cormier fight drug free, but obviously one of them is too scared and knows he doesn’t have what it takes to win a fair fight.

 

[Franc Mittelo]

Logic? How is this logical?
I'm the most talented in this competitive endeavour, but in order to win I need to cheat, thereby running the risk of getting caught and censured, which happened twice.


Yeah...that makes a lot of sense

Dude, the two thought processes you are alluding to are not mutually exclusive. If you can't perceive this, I can't help you.

The best of any industry are not above cheating. Often, they are the biggest cheaters.

 

[POWER2]

 

[2sk]

no hes not,atleast 3 guys are ahead of him. + he never beat the current lhw goat and got ragdolled both times trying...

 

[Paynebringer]

Sorry just NO, when he goes on a Jon Jones run then we can talk. I don't wanna hear no sh!t about roids/peds the only time that became a issue was just recently and recently don't cover the span of his fight life. And the amount of men on gear in the UFC I don't see them holding down belts and on insane win streaks.

Peds don't make you a better fighter, you make you a better fighter

 

[Franc Mittelo]

Too bad his bloodwork doesn’t match.

I’d like to see Jones/Cormier fight drug free, but obviously one of them is too scared and knows he doesn’t have what it takes to win a fair fight.

That is your opinion. I don't believe the drugs that Jon Jones tested positive for make anybody a better fighter. Until I see scientific evidence to contradict my position, I don't care about the "he tested positive" arguments.

Vitor Belfort tested positive for "High Testosterone" versus Dan Henderson, and Dan Henderson still won the fight. Chael Sonnen tested positive after the first Silva fight, and Silva who was negative still won.

A fighter who takes PEDs has about the same chances of winning or losing. This is what the numbers show. So, if these PEDs that MMA fighters are taking work, then explain why the PEDs takers haven't won a statistically significant amount of fights?

I want somebody who understands statistics and science to explain this to me. I am sick of the "steroids make you better, that is why fighters take it" bro-scientist arguments. LOL

 

[Taric]

That is your opinion. I don't believe the drugs that Jon Jones tested positive for make anybody a better fighter. Until I see scientific evidence to contradict my position, I don't care about the "he tested positive" arguments.

Vitor Belfort tested positive for "High Testosterone" versus Dan Henderson, and Dan Henderson still won the fight. Chael Sonnen tested positive after the first Silva fight, and Silva who was negative still won.

A fighter who takes PEDs has about the same chances of winning or losing. This is what the numbers show. So, if these PEDs that MMA fighters are taking work, then explain why the PEDs takers haven't won a statistically significant amount of fights?

I want somebody who understands statistics and science to explain this to me. I am sick of the "steroids make you better, that is why fighters take it" bro-scientist arguments. LOL

PEDs allow you to train longer. PEDs allow your muscles to regenerate quicker than if you hadn't used them.
If you train longer, properly, you're going to get bigger, faster, stronger, and simply more skilled.

That is the purpose of PEDs.

 

[Phil Galdong]

"Greatest of all Time Light Heavyweight Ever"

Spoiler

Come on now.

Let's live in the real world where this happened.

 

[USAUSA1]

Chuck Liddell would murder DC.

 

[Ancient Warrior]

That is your opinion. I don't believe the drugs that Jon Jones tested positive for make anybody a better fighter. Until I see scientific evidence to contradict my position, I don't care about the "he tested positive" arguments.

Vitor Belfort tested positive for "High Testosterone" versus Dan Henderson, and Dan Henderson still won the fight. Chael Sonnen tested positive after the first Silva fight, and Silva who was negative still won.

A fighter who takes PEDs has about the same chances of winning or losing. This is what the numbers show. So, if these PEDs that MMA fighters are taking work, then explain why the PEDs takers haven't won a statistically significant amount of fights?

I want somebody who understands statistics and science to explain this to me. I am sick of the "steroids make you better, that is why fighters take it" bro-scientist arguments. LOL

Typing “lol” after every post doesn’t add credibility to your argument.

Your looking for scientific evidence of the effectiveness of performing enhancing drugs, only shows how far into denial you’ve fallen.

If you’re going to go as far to deny effectiveness, there’s no reason for me to address your cherry picking fight outcomes that suit your agenda. It would be a waste of time.

 

[Kirin]

Dude, the two thought processes you are alluding to are not mutually exclusive. If you can't perceive this, I can't help you.

The best of any industry are not above cheating. Often, they are the biggest cheaters.

If you need to cheat to get to the top then you're not the best, and you sure as hell are not the most talented; simple as that. You might get the best results, but that doesn't negate the fact that you weren't good enough to get there without artificial assistance.

 

[Franc Mittelo]

If you need to cheat to get to the top then you're not the best, and you sure as hell are not the most talented; simple as that. You might get the best results, but that doesn't negate the fact that you weren't good enough to get there without artificial assistance.

Dude, that is your opinion, but it is not based on logic. A tall handsome rich man, who can get almost any girl he wants, can still rape women. Being the most handsome and rich guy doesn't make one immune from raping women.

You are calling Jon Jones a "cheat" based on your own morality and USADA propaganda. Jon Jones probably doesn't have the same opinion about himself, so he doesn't interpret his actions according your standards.

Just like a handsome rich guy can rape women, because he believes that "they are asking for it, and every woman wants an alpha male," thus in his head, he doesn't believe he is doing anything wrong.

If you don't get it. I can't help you.

 

[Franc Mittelo]

Typing “lol” after every post doesn’t add credibility to your argument.

Your looking for scientific evidence of the effectiveness of performing enhancing drugs, only shows how far into denial you’ve fallen.

If you’re going to go as far to deny effectiveness, there’s no reason for me to address your cherry picking fight outcomes that suit your agenda. It would be a waste of time.

I put LOL because I actually laughing out loud. If you take the forum seriously, that is your choice. Be happy with it, and get on my case for making a different choice.

I am not denying that you can inject some steroids into your ass, train like a bodybuilder and look like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime (depending on your genetics). I am not denying that you can inject some steroids into your ass, train like Usain Bolt, and improve your 40 yard dash from 10 seconds to 9.95 seconds.

The question I am asking how does looking like Arnold Schwarzenegger and having an improved 40 yard dash make you win more fights, hence a better fighter.

Fighting is not the Olympics, where you can say "I am better because my time has improved or I can throw the discus a little further and etc." The only way you can show you are a BETTER fighter is by WINING more fights.

Don't give that bullshit "baseline" argument. No fighter's baseline can be measured. You can measure Usain Bolts baseline, because he runs in a straight for 100M and he is timed.

In MMA, all types of things are possible. You don't have to be the best boxer, you don't have to be the best wrestler, you don't have to be the best at BJJ and etc.

So, how are you even going to measure a fighter's baseline in BJJ, wrestling, fight IQ, boxing and etc?

It is just a ridiculous argument. The only way you can say that steroids work, is if the fighters taking steroids are more likely to win than those who aren't.

So far, the record shows that steroid fighters and non-steroids fighters have about the same chance of winning fights. Until I see evidence that contradict this fact, and I am not changing my hypothesis that "steroids don't work in MMA." It is a pretty reasonable stance based on the best available evidence.

An improvement in benching ability doesn't mean an improvement in fighting ability.

 

[Money509]

PEDs allow you to train longer. PEDs allow your muscles to regenerate quicker than if you hadn't used them.
If you train longer, properly, you're going to get bigger, faster, stronger, and simply more skilled.

That is the purpose of PEDs.

Yea thats why most UFC fighters have used them or use them now. You are dumb as shit if you think jones was the only one.

Besides its not even proven he did use them.