In your opinion, what does Stipe have to do to surpass Fedor as the HW GOAT?

[L0ki]

DC would be a huge step but I don't know if UFC currently has HW's that would widely bolster a resume.

Pride and Affliction had some beast HW's.

Just look at the top current 10 HW's.

There isn't really stand outs that are like "Holy shit. That's a world breaker".

 

[Typrune Goatley]

not lose to a 40 yr old middleweight

Hendo is one of the greatest fighters ever. GSP has a more embarrassing loss where he tapped to strikes to a journeyman Lightweight.

GSP also tapped to a submission with 1 second left in the round. Anderson was also tapped by Lightweights and Welterweights. They all have some bad losses but there is no question that Fedor, Anderson and GSP are the clear cut GOATS of their divisions. Everyone eventually loses when you have around 40 fights. It doesn't take away from their title reigns though

 

[gono btw]

I think he's about 4 steps below m, but Id consider him above Fedor IF:

1. Cain returns, showin same form and he betas Cain
2. Instead of ducking Rothwell, he fights him on his return and beats him (most people forget how well Ben was doing- maybe his worst HW machup)
3. Beats DC

he does all of those, he passes Fedor JDS and Cain in my mind as the best

So beatin´Ben will help him cementin´ his legacy?

 

[90 50]

How about a crap load more wins over greats over the period of a decade at least to be close?

He’s barely been champ for a minute and people talking about goat over fedor?

You wat mate?

I’m a Fedor hater and thinks he’s overrated a bunch but man he won consistently for a long long time, stipes no where near that yet.

 

[gono btw]

I feel like right now, the UFC doesn't have clear #2 & 3s like Crocop/Nogueira that Stipe could thoroughly dominate to cement his GOATness.

Although, I feel a little hypocritical saying that because Werdum beat Fedor & Nog and lost to Stipe. Is Werdum in GOAT talks?? I don't know! Werdum has alot of randomness to his career, kind of like Overeem.

In conclusion, beat DC, and Werdum again OR clearly beat Jones once. Anyone who beats Jones jumps straight to GOAT in my book.

Beat an apparently washed-up Doom again?

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Go back in time and face shit competition or fighters who are just starting to understand what mma is.

Like Ngannou?

 

[leatherneck]

So beatin´Ben will help him cementin´ his legacy?

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will it HELP?

yes.

Rothwell is not only 1 of the mot dangerous HWs on the roster,

Stipe ducked him once.

more impressive to me than beating long-past-their-primes like Werdum and Overeem.

 

[gono btw]

will it HELP?

yes.

Rothwell is not only 1 of the mot dangerous HWs on the roster,

Stipe ducked him once.

more impressive to me than beating long-past-their-primes like Werdum and Overeem.

yeah..I mean.. Sapp was dangerous too... never seen anyone claiming that beating him would cement any legacy...

 

[myjohnson9]

25 straight wins, 8 over former ufc champs without losing a round

 

[MikeMcMann]

Yeah...only this forum....

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[krelianx]

No.

 

[Warfist]

What does Stipe have to do?

Not lose.

Because once that happens people forget everything else.
Sad but true.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Tough situation. Fedor fought in one of the best eras for heavy weights. So much new talent and cross over talents from other sports coming into MMA. It's nearly impossible with the current UFC HW roster. Too many old and battle worn top level fighters. Again, it isn't Stipe's fault but it's the truth.

 

[g*r*b]

will it HELP?

yes.

Rothwell is not only 1 of the mot dangerous HWs on the roster,

Stipe ducked him once.

more impressive to me than beating long-past-their-primes like Werdum and Overeem.

I'm a little surprised this canard is still being repeated. One would think that seeing how Stipe hasn't picked and chosen after he got his belt, even signing within the week after Overeem got his head knocked off to face his executioner, all accusations of deliberate avoidance would have stopped. I guess you must also claim that Lewis ducked Werdum because he too pulled out of a fight because of a flareup of back problems?

 

[chaos_36]

If Stipe beats Cain he's tied and I'm a huge Fedor mark. Werdum is Stipe's Nog and Cain will be his Crocop, the rest of his resume is already better than Fedor minus the longevity factor.

 

[GSP_37]

Armbar Hong Man Choi & Matt Lindland.

 

[Kotoamatsukami]

3 more top tier wins and he surpasses Fedor imo.

DC, Blaydes and Volkov.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

If Stipe beats Cain he's tied and I'm a huge Fedor mark. Werdum is Stipe's Nog and Cain will be his Crocop, the rest of his resume is already better than Fedor minus the longevity factor.

Cain is not his Crocop.

Cain is probably more like his Coleman at this point.

 

[leatherneck]

I'm a little surprised this canard is still being repeated. One would think that seeing how Stipe hasn't picked and chosen after he got his belt, even signing within the week after Overeem got his head knocked off to face his executioner, all accusations of deliberate avoidance would have stopped. I guess you must also claim that Lewis ducked Werdum because he too pulled out of a fight because of a flareup of back problems?

i rarely say it, but in this case i think its fair to consider:

- at the ime they were probably the 2 most surging HWs- both were in great streaks and seemed destined to meet for title shot
- Stipe withdrew for an injury that im pretty sure was never explained
- after, Rothwell was vocal in disappointment and wanted to reschedule, i dont recall Stipe EVER saying he wanted to remake the fight
- yes, hes been cooperative in title defenses, but he no longer can fly below he radar when he pulls out of a fight..


if you found Stipe's KO over Overeem impressive, how was Ben's not moreso, when Ben did it 2 years earlier in half the time Stipe did without being in any danger?

 

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