In reality, a boxer just has to learn how to wrestle just enough to make takedowns difficult!

[tenniswhiz]

I find it funny how untrained people make takedowns sound easy. The average people does NOT
know how to wrestle. Plus, most people are inclined to stand up when they fight. A person who wrestled in high school does not make him Daniel Cormier.

Back in the old days, Laverne Clark started out 4-0 in the UFC.
He was hard hitting and knew very little about wrestling/submissions. But it was dangerous to try to engage with him; he punished guys who messed up on their TD attempts.

 

[BForrester]

I can teach a boxer to sprawl much easier than teaching a wrestler how to box.

What about clinch takedowns and throws? You act like every take down is a double-leg.

 

[120wrestling]

Thats such a crock of shit. In boxing you have only two weapons and you need to find a way to make them work in every situation, if you're getting lit up on the feet you can't shoot for a takedown, you have to figure out what your opponent is doing and how to neutralise, all while getting punched in the face and body.

Boxing has what hook, upercut, cross, jab, overhand, and how many other punches+set ups/counters? Yet grappling has thousands and thousands of different positions, another thousand set ups, another thousand takedowns, oh yeah and another thousand submissions...etc.

Grappling is infinitely harder than boxing at the highest level.

 

[120wrestling]

Just lol.

Anyways TDD is mostly guys with a real good natural base and instincts. Sure better sprawls and whizzers gonna help but ive never seen someone who was real bad at TDD, get real good by practice - they may get better but not good.

Lmfao, oh look a retard.

 

[Alex]

It worked for Chuck Liddell, Mirko Crocop and Wonderboy for years.

They've been practicing for years.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

That is only assuming that they aren't bested in striking via distance of say kicks or a different martial arts style. A boxer won't also be used to the elements of the MMA clinch or clinch game found in muay thai.

The notion that all boxers have 1 punch HW level mike tyson power is false.

 

[dudefacemcghee]

And once they get taken down? Then what?

Can't happen if they use take down defense as the name implies

 

[NotoriousMillions]

I find it funny how untrained people make takedowns sound easy. The average people does NOT
know how to wrestle. Plus, most people are inclined to stand up when they fight. A person who wrestled in high school does not make him Daniel Cormier.

If a boxer had great TDD, jiu-jitsu, kicks, and high-levels of chi, he would be goat. Deal with it TS.

 

[Shaddows]

I find it funny how untrained people make takedowns sound easy. The average people does NOT
know how to wrestle. Plus, most people are inclined to stand up when they fight. A person who wrestled in high school does not make him Daniel Cormier.

I find is funny how untrained person seems to know how hard (or how easy) it is for a trained fighter to do things inside the octagon.

Most fighters know to be (at least) average everywhere, unless they excel in one thing (like Maia).

The point is that he needs to be (at least) competent enough on other areas, and be unpredictable on how he will take the fight to where he wants to be.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Chuck wrestled collegiately, Cro Cop had a freak sprawl, Wonderboy couldn't beat a high level wrestler in Woodley, and none of those 3 have a boxing base....

It worked for Chuck Liddell, Mirko Crocop and Wonderboy for years.

Cro cop worked at it for years and years and devoted extensive time to it and had more than just his hands to go on. His kicking game was deadly and the fact that he fought mainly in an organization PRIDE which allowed soccer kicks, knees to head, stomps, upkicks, etc are more favorable to a striker as defensive moves when they stuff takedowns or are takendown and are on their back or attempting to scramble. It also helped him that he fought mostly in a Ring and that in Pride they would restart fights in the center or stand you up do to inactivity. In a cage it is different, however by the time Cro Cop was fighting in a cage he had well over a decade at training in mma.


Chuck was a Collegiate d1 level wrestler with a background in kickboxing and Kenpo karate since he was like 11 years old.

Wonderboy has a great grappling background himself as well and was beat by a slightly better wrestler but mostly id argue was beat do to his own poor game plan and mental strategy.