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Hurry guys! I complemented Condit so scurry along and try to post a gif of where he fucked up!
I can't think of any way to discredit Condit. He is, after all, renowned for his high-level evasive movement. Only a fighter with otherworldly defense like Carlos Condit could outmaneuver Nick Diaz.
Name these holes of which you speak.
And being consistent is an attribute of being polished, Lawler is not consistent with or completely disregards the fundamentals. He doesnt even breathe right, which is a lot of the reason that he gases, which results in his sloppiness.
His feet are equally spaced apart and condit is slippery. You are blatantly disgregarding the caliber of fighter that Condit is, a fighter who is actually traditionally textbook.
Look at Condits form and poise, every gif you post benefits me. Your arguments have shifted from combating my initial stance to attempting to discredit great fighters.
Condit is textbook?! He's a good striker by all means, but textbook is the last word to describe him. I mean, look at his hand position when he rolls under that left hand!! Seriously though, he's wild and unorthodox and awkward. Not bad, but not textbook.
Condit is textbook?! He's a good striker by all means, but textbook is the last word to describe him. I mean, look at his hand position when he rolls under that left hand!! Seriously though, he's wild and unorthodox and awkward. Not bad, but not textbook.
You said being on your toes is a fundamental, and being flat footed is wrong. You then said Nick Diaz is not wrong for being flat footed, and as others have pointed out neither is Joe Louis. Being Flat footed can be used by pressure fighters, or by fighters who want to make their opponents feel the need to move. That applies to Lawler, hence why he kicks ass in the pocket and is not a good guy to back up against.
You said head movement is a fundamental. Robby Lawler has demonstrated good head movement, the ability to slip and counter immediately. Discipulus provided gifs of this in action.
You said the hands have to be up. Not only is this proven false at every MMA event, there are legitimate advantages to not having them up or to dropping them at the right times. You have even agreed that this is the case when Edgar was slipping or when Diaz was attacking a covered up Daley.
Basically, the only thing you listed that can ACTUALLY be considered a fundamental is head movement--and Lawler absolutely has that. Your other fundamentals only apply to some fighters at some times. That's not how fundamentals work man, they either always apply or they aren't fundamentals. Things like distance, timing, and balance are fundamentals. And you better fucking believe Lawler understands those things.
I suspect we are feeding to troll here, but let's play along...
I would like to hear of one trainer who has ever said to keep your hands low. You always protect the head. Always. Robbie has shown decent head movement, but he is not consistent. It's also predictable, which actually is counter productive. Its good enough to get him through the bulk of the division, but you saw what happened when he got pummeled by a fighter with legitimate hands (Diaz).
Also, you are generalizing footwork to be soley pivoting, which it is clearly not. Nick does fight flat footed at times, but as I said before, he is usually stalking and exploiting his reach advantage. Is it a good idea? Well, I suppose it is as long as it works. He has smashed some great and effective strikers (Penn/Daley). He might regret it one day if he fights again, I remember his fight with KJ didnt go so well. I havent seen that fight in ages, I'll have to watch it again this weekend. Quirks like that are not unique to him though, even mayweather forgets when he is being pressed by certain fighters, but he has calmed down eventually and got back to his fight thus far.
The difference between Diaz's quirks and Robbies is that Robbies are glaring, and you can say for a fact that he has lost fights because of them (with striking in mind).
I would like to hear of one trainer who has ever said to keep your hands low. You always protect the head. Always. Robbie has shown decent head movement, but he is not consistent. It's also predictable, which actually is counter productive. Its good enough to get him through the bulk of the division, but you saw what happened when he got pummeled by a fighter with legitimate hands (Diaz).
Also, you are generalizing footwork to be soley pivoting, which it is clearly not. Nick does fight flat footed at times, but as I said before, he is usually stalking and exploiting his reach advantage. Is it a good idea? Well, I suppose it is as long as it works. He has smashed some great and effective strikers (Penn/Daley). He might regret it one day if he fights again, I remember his fight with KJ didnt go so well. I havent seen that fight in ages, I'll have to watch it again this weekend. Quirks like that are not unique to him though, even mayweather forgets when he is being pressed by certain fighters, but he has calmed down eventually and got back to his fight thus far.
The difference between Diaz's quirks and Robbies is that Robbies are glaring, and you can say for a fact that he has lost fights because of them (with striking in mind).
First, you ignored the vast majority of my post. You're picking out little things to argue with and it's difficult to continue the discussion if you're gonna keep ignoring the points that you can't dispute.
This is beautiful gif He sees it coming, brings hands closer together.
I'm gonna show it to everyone who says just 'keep hands up' or 'shell up, you'll be ok'!
This is beautiful gif He sees it coming, brings hands closer together.
I'm gonna show it to everyone who says just 'keep hands up' or 'shell up, you'll be ok'!