Gil-Stephens Shows How Good Frankie Edgar Is

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by mkt, Sep 12, 2017.

  1. mkt Silver Belt

    mkt
    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2007
    Messages:
    10,147
    Likes Received:
    1,597
    Gil and Frankie are the same age (35). Their fight histories are similar:
    • The total number of fights is almost identical (Gil-29, Frankie-28)
    • Gil has been in 7 fights that went over 3 rounds. Frankie has been in 10 (he may hold the record?)
    If anything, Frankie has taken been in more wars. He came back from the living dead twice against Maynard. He also got hurt badly from a 1st round upkick in the first Bendo fight. Gilbert's decline is typical for a smaller (LW or below fighter). Most of them start deteriorating in their early to mid-30s. Frankie, however, has shown some amazing longevity:
    • Frankie recently beat the same Jereme Stephens who defeated Gil and brutalized his leg
    • Frankie has never been finished
    • Except for a 2008 loss to Maynard, he's only lost to the LW or FW champ in title fights. He's never lost to another contender. And I'd argue that he beat Bendo in their rematch. That was a semi-robbery IMO.
    I'm not trying to put down Gil...just recognizing Frankie's great career and endurance. While Gil, Bendo, Josh Thomson and maybe even Eddie Alvarez are declining, Frankie's still beating everyone but the champ. If Aldo didn't have his number, he'd probably be a GOAT FW by this point, too. I wish he'd moved to BW a few years ago where I think he'd also have done great.
     
    #1
    Venom, fortheo, FinBJJ and 22 others like this.
  2. the answer Steeze for days

    the answer
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2010
    Messages:
    8,166
    Likes Received:
    5,940
    Frankie is a mythical creature indeed.
     
    #2
  3. Siauliai White Belt

    Siauliai
    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2015
    Messages:
    126
    Likes Received:
    201
    Location:
    Lithuania
    Frankie is one of the best fighters today at 35 years old. Crazy
     
    #3
  4. Threetrees Bored

    Threetrees
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2009
    Messages:
    33,606
    Likes Received:
    43,595
    Location:
    Your mom's pink matter
    You just cursed him

    Father Time reaps him next fight
     
    #4
  5. mkt Silver Belt

    mkt
    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2007
    Messages:
    10,147
    Likes Received:
    1,597
    Heh, I hope not. However, once he loses to a contender, it's over. The same thing happened to Urijah Faber, who also beat everyone but the champ for years.
     
    #5
  6. goodfella69 Silver Belt

    goodfella69
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2003
    Messages:
    13,684
    Likes Received:
    12,676
    Location:
    new york
    Good thread. Frankie got started a bit later, but he has done a lot more in his time. Years ago, I never would have imagined Gil being dominated by Stephens.

    Frankie is still standing tall, and he really is one of the best fighters. I hope he can take out Max and secure his position as one of the GOATs.
     
    #6
    Kal-El, fortheo, mon and 8 others like this.
  7. mkt Silver Belt

    mkt
    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2007
    Messages:
    10,147
    Likes Received:
    1,597
    Especially for a FW. 35 is almost young for a HW these days, but you see very few guys his age at LW or below doing anything but...well, losing.
     
    #7
  8. Siesta Brown Belt

    Siesta
    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Messages:
    2,807
    Likes Received:
    1,921

    Not really. One is a .500 fighter and other other is worse.
    In the UFC that is.
     
    #8
  9. mkt Silver Belt

    mkt
    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2007
    Messages:
    10,147
    Likes Received:
    1,597
    I assume you meant +0.500 fighter referring to Frankie? 16-5-1 in the UFC is a lot better than a 50% win rate.
     
    #9
    cabear, Koloth, MMAcolyte and 2 others like this.
  10. TheIrishPsycho Black Belt

    TheIrishPsycho
    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2010
    Messages:
    6,066
    Likes Received:
    12,544
    Location:
    Sherdog
    Frankie is a beast, no two ways about it.

    At first, I really fucking hated him due to my undying love of BJ Penn - but how long can you hate someone that keeps coming back and smashing guys.
     
    #10
  11. Pakman Red Belt

    Pakman
    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2006
    Messages:
    8,109
    Likes Received:
    2,085
    not sure putting Gil down is best way to go about it. Gil was considered a top 3'ish (some slightly higher, some a lil lower, nobody below top 5) since 2006'ish. Frankie didn't get that crown until 2010 and even then, he had to beat BJ in a rematch to get there. Gil has been fighting at the top a bit longer, but, considering recent years and activity, yes, Frankie has looked much better.

    Frankie is amazing and I think he's one of the best to ever do it.
     
    #11
  12. BC Silver Belt

    BC
    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2011
    Messages:
    11,063
    Likes Received:
    60,856
    Reported him just to be safe.
     
    #12
  13. Spiderbite Purple Belt

    Spiderbite
    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2010
    Messages:
    2,273
    Likes Received:
    931
    It bums me out because i had really high hopes for him but i am convinced Melendez is done.
    The problem is he doesn't fight very frequently.
    A fighter can lose a few and get back on track, but when you're dropping your only fight of the year, year after year, something's got to give.
     
    #13
    Typrune Goatley likes this.
  14. MCS (e)Conoreem

    MCS
    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    18,855
    Likes Received:
    3,123
    Frankie's awesome, but Gil was injured. His damn corner let him take a beating on one leg, with basically no hope of winning.
     
    #14
    Kumason and Typrune Goatley like this.
  15. Squall10 Orange Belt

    Squall10
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    457
    Likes Received:
    394
    You are only as good as your last fight. Yair Frankie shows how good he is.
     
    #15
  16. chinarice Silver Belt

    chinarice
    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2010
    Messages:
    11,434
    Likes Received:
    7,414
    Location:
    Sometimes I like to fart in the tub
    If Frankie wins another belt, he is p4p ahead of Ducky Mouse.

    He could fight at 135 I bet and won the 155 belt ffs lol
     
    #16
    P4PSHERGOAT likes this.
  17. Sirwastealot Black Belt

    Sirwastealot
    Joined:
    May 3, 2010
    Messages:
    7,484
    Likes Received:
    1,544
    They are made up of different stuff, some guys just defy all norms.

    Frankie was made for fighting, so was gil in a way but in the last fight it looked like his body was more made for cooking BBQ in his backyard.
     
    #17
    P4PSHERGOAT likes this.
  18. caliboi74lv Brown Belt

    caliboi74lv
    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2009
    Messages:
    3,596
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    From Pacoima, Ca., living in Las Vegas
    I wasn't a big fan of Gil's, but did root for him in some fights. I'm glad my co worker didn't ask me about this fight to bet. I enjoyed him in Strikeforce. But wouldn't have expected him to go on a skid, like he has. Fought some decent guys, but gettin up there in age. Lil Heathen is tough but i would have thought Gil had this.
    I too hope Frankie can get that strap. one of faves. His fight against Tyson was great..Should be the "Heart' not tapping to that leg lock. I like Max too. But hope Frankie wins..
     
    #18
    fortheo, mon and goodfella69 like this.
  19. mkt Silver Belt

    mkt
    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2007
    Messages:
    10,147
    Likes Received:
    1,597
    True, but I think Frankie faced better competition overall. Gilbert's best opponent was Josh Thomson, and honestly I think Josh won their last fight (despite what the judges said)...which would make him 1-2 vs. Josh if I were the judge. Masvidal is a solid opponent but he was really passive in that fight...and never proved to be an elite LW in the UFC. Aoki and Kawajiri were great in their day at Japanese (ring-based) MMA...but neither ever excelled in a cage. I didn't regard either of those wins as highly as most people did...especially after what Eddie Alvarez did to Aoki shortly after that.
     
    #19
    MMAcolyte likes this.
  20. Typrune Goatley Green Belt

    Typrune Goatley
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2017
    Messages:
    1,426
    Likes Received:
    3,614
    Great thread.

    I am a long time fan of both Gil and Frankie. I have watched their entire careers. I agree with this analysis.

    Frankie used great movement and footwork against Stephens. His chin and toughness also had to come into play after Jeremy tagged him.

    Gil started out looking normal but as soon as that leg was damaged he was target practice.

    Even if his calf wasn't so badly hurt, Gil would have still had a harder time getting away from Stephens than Frankie did. And like you said, that is not a knock on Giblert because he used to be an elite fighter. But somehow someway Frankie is still an elite fighter 10 years later. Frankie is such a special fighter
     
    #20
    mon, pilgrim4702 and mkt like this.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "fd5733925866a04e50edd70f38dfaa35"
monitoring_string = "603ac9fff68f23709f2a42bf5e29272b"