Forget BJ, has Penn EVER fought anyone as good as Yair??

El_Diazo said:
You're an idiot. Also Bj was robbed against Frankie the first time and he's still beating everyone in the division but Aldo. training methods have changed but fighting is fighting. It hasnt evolved no matter how much you want to believe it has, Bj is just old and shopworn. This is a young mans game
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Thanks for making my point. Frankie was the start of the new breed of fighter I was talking about. He is Penns welcome to the new landscape of MMA and since then he and everyone else has had Penns number.

If you ever want to talk up Penns accomplishments , Edgar is the absolute last name you want to mention
 
Huh,

GSP 2x
Huges 3x
Sanchez
Sherk
Lyoto
Diaz
Edgar 3x
Florian
Joe Daddy
Gomi

Yair's best win against a live body is Bruce Leeroy and he looked marginal in that fight. Beating up an old, slow, stuck in the mud fighter is not a gage of where he is at.

Time for him to take on some Lions and not a sitting duck - Stephens would be a good next fight then either Lamas or Mendes then Edgar - then maybe we can start talking title shot.

Any young fast fighter would have done the same to the Penn that was in the cage tonight.
 
Yair is not even close to among the best opponents BJ has faced.

Fuck, is he even top 10 among Penn's opponents? Penn has faced a league of killers.
Evenflow80 said:
Why do people keep bringing up the machida fight? It was a low risk high reward fight in a promotion with zero drug testing and only two weight classes against and equally bloated middleweight who also happened to be as green as grass at that point with only a handful of fight experience.

Neither where "heavyweights" it's like me who is 5'8" ballooning up to 206 pounds and figating another fat ass and saying we fought at "heavyweight"
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"Green" Machida had already destroyed an undefeated Rich Franklin. Machida was already at a very high level.

And that was a very even fight. It might be Penn's most impressive accomplishent, to go near even with Machida. While being a total fatass himself to boot.
 
Thunderflash500 said:
You can make this same thread for every single fighter ever. And you'll feel so smart. Bit you'll never know, because it can't be tested. So you're just a nerd without any proof.
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No I can't. Penn has been "out of his prime" since 2010? When he was like 31 years old ? Come on man. There's a more realistic reason why he hasn't worn a fight in 6 years and it isn't because he was old 6 years ago.
 
Yair barely beat Bruce Leroy. He's not a stud.
 
Evenflow80 said:
No I can't. Penn has been "out of his prime" since 2010? When he was like 31 years old ? Come on man. There's a more realistic reason why he hasn't worn a fight in 6 years and it isn't because he was old 6 years ago.
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Everyone ages differently. There's also injuries, many of which we never hear of.

The world is littered with pro athletes whose career ended in their 20's, let alone 30's. Being out of Prime at 31 is not unusual for pro athletes at all.

Come on man, do you even follow sports?
 
Evenflow80 said:
Thanks for making my point. Frankie was the start of the new breed of fighter I was talking about. He is Penns welcome to the new landscape of MMA and since then he and everyone else has had Penns number.

If you ever want to talk up Penns accomplishments , Edgar is the absolute last name you want to mention
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How is Frankie 'new breed when he had his first fight 4 years after Bj?
 
Prime B.J. Penn would still be a top 10 lightweight, even with all the old school training styles.
 
Yair looked normal, BJ looked awful. Prime BJ smokes Yair.
 
Myrddin Wyllt said:
Yair has big holes in his standup that will be exposed if he gets into the top of the division. Once people can take his power, he will be a fish out of water. That said, he is evolving... & will get better... but lets not get ahead of ourselvez to say he'z ready now.

Tonight waz more to do with BJ's chin being compromised. BJ looked great until he took a couple heaviez... Yair won't have that luxury against the killerz at the top of the division. Ask Choi his opinion on the subject.
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Ive always wanted Yari vs Choi

Choi has great timing and went far with just that alone, but the Swanson fight showed how poor his actual boxing fundamentals are

Head always on the center, poor defensive responsibility when exiting

Choi was simply a fighter who was great at timing opponents coming in with the right straight

All it took for Swanson to neautralize his timing was fients - and level changes into come up hooks.

Swanson would fient and then back Choi up against the fence with hooks - then flurry while Choi had his back stuck to the fence

All this talk of Choi being like Conor

LOL

Conor has legit elite pro level boxing, countering and footwork

Choi couldnt even display amaturish boxing

Conor is someone who wouldve counter fucked you coming in, circled off the fence, or tied you up on his terms to stiffle and then work you over in-tight with body shots and or elbows

Again, Choi was only ever about timing you stepping in...and simple fients disrupted all that for him...and then he would allow himself to get pressed against the fence with hooks and then stay on the fence and eat flurries

I was seriously shocked to see how AMATURE Choi was after all the hype he was getting "the next Conor"


Choi still needs to be fighting the top 10 and developing...let alone is even fit to hold Conor's month old jack strap. Conor is the greatest boxing based defensive counter puncher in MMA history

But yeah, I want to see Yari vs Choi just to see where Choi is really at...

because as we just went over - Choi is someone who wants to time an opponent coming in...and Yari has such an off beat rhythm that he could completely neutralize Choi's timing just by being himself...and then you have all the kicks of Yari etc

I think Yari would smoke Choi, but I would like to see it as a prospect vs prospect fight - and to see if Choi can improve and become more then what he is right now

Choi would have to dig deep to adjust because Yari is a terrible match up for him (hard to time/great at commanding kicking rage etc)

Neither Choi or Yari are even 5% as great as Conor though

Im very high on Yari..and feel strongly that Yari is the future of 145...but lets stop the BS...Conor is on another galaxtic level to everyone in MMA

Every time someone wins a fight "bu bu hes on Conor's level"

No

Yari is still a fantastic prospect though...and Yari is FAR FAR BETTER THEN CHOI

I cant wait to see Yari continue to develop. The kid has all kinds of amazing potential
 
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FlyingKimurabar said:
lol I like Yair but he was getting wrestle fucked by Charles rosa. A prime BJ would have beat him via RNC in his prime.

MMA has progressed a lot, but not that much. BJ hung with GSP, beat Matt Hughes. He was really good.
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Disagree with -Charles Rosa "wrestle fucked" Yair. Instead show cased an intelligent advanced guard.
Thanks.
 
You're ridiculous. Yair isn't even that good. His best win is, what, a split decision he eked out over Caceres? Old school BJ Penn was every bit as explosive and fast as this guy, if not more, along with better technical skills standing and on the ground. Yes, training methods evolve and fighters get better as the sport progresses, but you're delusional if you think this guy could touch BJ when he was healthy.
 
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