Focusing on "stars" has been killing the UFC for YEARS and Conor is the sad culmination of it all...

I disagree. The ufc model is the brand over the star/individual. Connie is a a unique case but the only reason conor is out of control is really two words: Floyd Mayweather. Once that option was there and the resulting money for both parties (ufc and McGregor) meant that they would have a different relationship.

Notice none of their previous big stars were ever really out of control except Brock as he had a big lucrative option at all times. If the ufc really went with the star model over the brand model (nba vs nfl for example) there would be a lot more stars. Who knows how that would affect fights.
 
You guys must not have been around when Tito was holding the belt hostage and they pushed him as a star too.

But yes tell me how it's all Conors fault. Instead of giving him credit for 1upping the mobster owners.
 
whougonnacall said:
This
Dana is awful.at his only job promotion
He doenst know how to sell new guys or existing talent unless they are mouthpieces
He shits on existing talent and its usualy when they ask for a slight pay increase
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The big thing as well is that the UFC only respect drawing ability when it comes to pay. The idea of say going out and offering decent money to someone like Rico Verhoeven just isn't how they oppoerate but that's exactly how so much of the most well known talent got into MMA. There addicted to either buying in existing stars or depending on US wrestlers with zero earning potential being willing to fight for peanuts for years.

LHW especially used to be THE money division, you could get even non title fights doing 700-800K on PPV, these days its just become paper thin. Saki is a positive but it sounds like he did the shift himself and really the UFC could have had about half a dozen other guys from Glory at LHW if they'd wanted.
 
GSP is proof that you don't need to talk shit to be a star.
 
The Big Bang said:
If only they would place their focus on ACTUAL FIGHTS...

When Conor is the face of your company...you have problems.

And I'm not using hyperbole.

When your "star" won't actually defend...

When your "star" is given so much power that HE can dictate the rules...

When your "star" makes a mockery of your organization by acting the fool left and fucking right...

These are not things that other fighters on the roster should aspire to in order to get paid, alas, being a loudmouth does have it's monetary advantages given the fucked up nature of the UFC.

In closing, I know the entertainment aspect is VITAL, but what about focusing on entertaining FIGHTS and INTRIGUING match-ups...

I'll end my saying this... Imagine if Conor was not a "star"... If that was the case, a fight with Tony would have probably happened already...

*end of rant*
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Dude ain't my star. Ignore the propaganda. Ariel who kept his job by agreeing to mention Conor every third word.

Just as MMA fans. Focus on the real fighters.

Stay away from Mmajunkie, it's as bad as Fox.

Their intention is not to provide the facts, stay neutral and allow
"the fuck" to draw his own outcome.
As hardcore fans fuck Mmajunkie.

Luke is the best non bastardized opinion.
Ariel is long gone.
 
The Big Bang said:
If only they would place their focus on ACTUAL FIGHTS...

When Conor is the face of your company...you have problems.

And I'm not using hyperbole.

When your "star" won't actually defend...

When your "star" is given so much power that HE can dictate the rules...

When your "star" makes a mockery of your organization by acting the fool left and fucking right...

These are not things that other fighters on the roster should aspire to in order to get paid, alas, being a loudmouth does have it's monetary advantages given the fucked up nature of the UFC.

In closing, I know the entertainment aspect is VITAL, but what about focusing on entertaining FIGHTS and INTRIGUING match-ups...

I'll end my saying this... Imagine if Conor was not a "star"... If that was the case, a fight with Tony would have probably happened already...

*end of rant*
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You want it to be one way, but it's the other way. 218 was a stacked card, one of the best cards ever, but no superstar. The early estimates are it sold only 230k PPV. Can you see now why it's all about the stars?

They're running a business, not a hobby. As a hardcore fan I wish you were right, but sadly you are dead wrong. If you want the sport to be sustainable, there are certain things you have to tolerate. This is one of them.
 
The sport thrived when Anderson and GSP dominated their Weight Classes. They were big stars, but actually no "money fights" were made between them.

Now, even though they are making a lot more "money fights", the sport is in terrible conditions. Even fighters are complaining...

let that sink in...
 
Jackie Blue said:
You want it to be one way, but it's the other way. 218 was a stacked card, one of the best cards ever, but no superstar. The early estimates are it sold only 230k PPV. Can you see now why it's all about the stars?

They're running a business, not a hobby. As a hardcore fan I wish you were right, but sadly you are dead wrong. If you want the sport to be sustainable, there are certain things you have to tolerate. This is one of them.
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lol

I'm sure if you were in a power position you would let Conor run his mouth about YOUR brand while he stalls and stalls and says how he's more important than everyone else on the roster...etc, etc, etc.

I'm sure you would do that, right?

I'm sure you would let his run the show because it's good for business, right?

SMH
 
The Big Bang said:
If only they would place their focus on ACTUAL FIGHTS...

When Conor is the face of your company...you have problems.

And I'm not using hyperbole.

When your "star" won't actually defend...

When your "star" is given so much power that HE can dictate the rules...

When your "star" makes a mockery of your organization by acting the fool left and fucking right...

These are not things that other fighters on the roster should aspire to in order to get paid, alas, being a loudmouth does have it's monetary advantages given the fucked up nature of the UFC.

In closing, I know the entertainment aspect is VITAL, but what about focusing on entertaining FIGHTS and INTRIGUING match-ups...

I'll end my saying this... Imagine if Conor was not a "star"... If that was the case, a fight with Tony would have probably happened already...

*end of rant*
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Long time fans have complained for years that the UFC never made fighters the face of their organization, and promoted the UFC brand over the fighters. To the extent that the UFC has focused on stars, it is a relatively recent development, beginning imo with Rousey.

Anyway, given the way you wrote your OP, it seems like your real issue is that you don't like Conor McGregor, not with how the UFC promotes stars. The real problem with Conor McGregor isn't that he is too big of a star or even that he doesn't defend his belts. It is that he doesn't fight in MMA. If he was fighting in the UFC, he'd be a huge plus for the UFC all the other complaints people have notwithstanding.
 
The guest said:
Dana, and Zuffa killed any legitimacy the UFC had. Then got the fuck out and made a fortune. The bros slam dunked that shit all the way to the bank.

Dana made the big bucks. But, really looks bad now. He should retire. Enjoy his money, and get out of the rat race.
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I definitely don't support a lot of their actions. But saying that the UFC was more legitimate in the SEG era is revisionist history. Zuffa was the entity that got them whatever legitimacy they have or had. If it wasn't for some crazy Irish kid from Boston who knew a couple of billionaires willing to lose tens of millions of dollars to give this thing a chance to grow, we'd still be stuck with low level fights on Indian reservations and backwoods casinos. That's just the raw truth.
 
moreorless87 said:
The big thing as well is that the UFC only respect drawing ability when it comes to pay. The idea of say going out and offering decent money to someone like Rico Verhoeven just isn't how they oppoerate but that's exactly how so much of the most well known talent got into MMA. There addicted to either buying in existing stars or depending on US wrestlers with zero earning potential being willing to fight for peanuts for years.

LHW especially used to be THE money division, you could get even non title fights doing 700-800K on PPV, these days its just become paper thin. Saki is a positive but it sounds like he did the shift himself and really the UFC could have had about half a dozen other guys from Glory at LHW if they'd wanted.
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Yep the fact is they need new ideas
Bellator for example before scott took the helm had guys surfing the net looking at m1 fighters etc
 
RJ43 said:
Sure but saying that the UFC has been dying for years because of stars is ridiculous. This is also not something new at all.

Pride did shit WAY worse than the UFC for years and it is still a golden era of MMA. Fedor won the HW belt in 2003 and exploded onto the scene becoming one of the biggest fighters in the world. He fought EIGHT times before formally defending his belt. He had 15 fights in pride and defended his belt 3 times. After the biggest fight of his career this happened:

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Beyond that you are getting on your soap box trying to criticize basic business fundamentals. You're trying to say fighters should not aspire to be Conor, and that should not get them paid more. Yet that is precisely what draws the revenue to allow for the higher pay.

You have to accept the fact that MMA IS a star driven sport. It's not like the NFL, NBA, etc... The revenue cares less about the rankings than it does the people.
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Then why isn't Pride still operating if were such a great business model? Why did Fedor get his ass handed to him over and over after pride?

It was entertaining, most shit shows are, but absolutely nothing about Pride was legit.
 
TS is talking about some trivial fan boi shit.

Show me where Conor is hurting the UFC's profit and come back.
 
Broke Lester said:
Then why isn't Pride still operating if were such a great business model? Why did Fedor get his ass handed to him over and over after pride?

It was entertaining, most shit shows are, but absolutely nothing about Pride was legit.
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1) Because eventually the fact that it was run by the Yakuza was made public and Fuji TV essentially shut them down. Without the TV money they were dead in the water and the UFC bought them at a discount.

2) Fedor remained undefeated for 3 years after he left Pride. He had 32 fights before he lost. Maybe he, you know, got a little old?

None of this refutes the fact that what the UFC is doing is not new and that it's a star driven sport.
 
considering there's a 90% chance Conor defends In either March or april, threads like this are quite irrelevant.
 
SuperNerd said:
TS is talking about some trivial fan boi shit.

Show me where Conor is hurting the UFC's profit and come back.
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Enjoy the Conor vs Tony fight which was scheduled after Conor got fucked in boxing.

Oh yeah...there are no Conor fights slated.

Enjoy.
 
The Big Bang said:
Enjoy the Conor vs Tony fight which was scheduled after Conor got fucked in boxing.

Oh yeah...there are no Conor fights slated.

Enjoy.
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Show me UFC's loss in profits over the last years.

Or keep talking about stupid shit.
 
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