Eddie Alvarez Looking To Fight Nate Diaz

Nate at 155 again seems nearly impossible at this point...And seeing Nick at any weight again seems more impossible
 
Alvarez would stand and bang for 2min and then takedown Diaz and the fight would be over right there.
 
MescalineDreams said:
I love Eddie but I don't think controlling Nate on the ground Is as easy as you or others seem to think. It's a little weird because his bottom game Is some of the best in the division but people act like It's among the worst.

I'll also say that Nate Isn't the same fighter today as he was during his last LW run. Mostly fights which happened 3-5+ years ago. That's a long fucking time and fighters evolve, but you'd never know It with the way people sleep on Nate and treat him like the same guy who got tko'd by thomson 5 years ago.

I think he's beatable but he's also not an easy fight for anyone at this stage of his career. Anyone.
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Nate is fantastic in guard. That is a fact. His sub game from guard is hard to top. He also has lots of trouble keeping good grapplers in guard. Nate has displayed the same flaws in every single one of his fights and almost all of his losses come in the same way. As long as you stay out of his guard or stop the subs, Nate has nothing else for you on the ground.

His last fight where he lost in this manner was against RDA in 2014. Since then he's only fought 3 times and has show no improvements or changes in the weak areas of his style. Eddie would more than likely do what most others did to him. Eddie has good sub defense and is very capable of pinning people down for 3 rounds.

All of the Nate support stems from "He must be better by now" despite there being no evidence of this. Nate hasn't been fighting and he hasn't been tested in his weak areas since fighting RDA.

I need proof of improvement, not assumptions. As of now Nate has given me nothing to believe he soundly beats Eddie and many others in the top 10.
 
jojoRed said:
I dont think they're in the same weightclass.

Why these manlets always looking to start fights?


Nate is 265lb man, he'd wreck Alvarez.<CerseiPlotting>
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You need a refresher in MMAth. Conor is 155lbs and Nate is 3 x Conor so Nate = 465lbs and thats after a weight cut. He is well over 500 lbs in the Octagon on fight night.
 
GreatSaintGuillotine said:
Nate is fantastic in guard. That is a fact. His sub game from guard is hard to top. He also has lots of trouble keeping good grapplers in guard. Nate has displayed the same flaws in every single one of his fights and almost all of his losses come in the same way. As long as you stay out of his guard or stop the subs, Nate has nothing else for you on the ground.

His last fight where he lost in this manner was against RDA in 2014. Since then he's only fought 3 times and has show no improvements or changes in the weak areas of his style. Eddie would more than likely do what most others did to him. Eddie has good sub defense and is very capable of pinning people down for 3 rounds.

All of the Nate support stems from "He must be better by now" despite there being no evidence of this. Nate hasn't been fighting and he hasn't been tested in his weak areas since fighting RDA.

I need proof of improvement, not assumptions. As of now Nate has given me nothing to believe he soundly beats Eddie and many others in the top 10.
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his boxing has improved leaps and bounds over the years. Boxing Is my realm, I was never really Impressed with him In that sense during his previous LW run. Always thought Nick was the superior boxer. Starting In the Michael Johnson fight when he took a year off after not being paid enough, he looked like a completely different fighter In that sense. That Is extremely clear to me or anyone who's been watching him closely over the years, his boxing has Improved leaps and bounds. His grappling has gotten tighter as well and I don't think he's as much of a twig as he'd been In the past when he was predominantly eating raw vegan. Him having a big strength disadvantage has always been an Issue for him.

The way I see It, Nate has always been In the shadow of Nick. That changed pretty dramatically starting In the Michael Johnson and Conor fights. Nate needed a BIG fight to really reach into himself and achieve his full potential as a fighter I feel. The difference between the two had always been the boxing but that difference Is negligible at this stage of Nate's career. You could even argue he's better In some ways. So, yeah.. I would say that If you haven't seen any Improvement's In Nate's game over the years, you simply aren't looking closely enough or you're operating from a bit of confirmation bias.

Eddie has some decent grappling, particularly defensively..but again, controlling Nate on the ground In the way that Benson henderson ( amazing grappler) and RDA( amazing top game) Isn't as easy as you or others seem to believe. That's a winnable fight for Eddie, for sure..but I don't think he'd have an easy time at all at any point In the fight, even If he creates a gameplan around taking him down / attempting to nullify his game from the top.

Again, Nate Is beatable on paper but he Is not an easy fight for anyone. Neither Diaz bro Is. Regardless of what you or the rest of Sherdog seems to think.
 
Yes! Make it happen! Alvarez, Gaethje, Poirier, doesn't matter so many fights of Nate's I still want to see, but Nate vs Eddie is as good as any <{natewhut}>
 
MescalineDreams said:
his boxing has improved leaps and bounds over the years. Boxing Is my realm, I was never really Impressed with him In that sense during his previous LW run. Always thought Nick was the superior boxer. Starting In the Michael Johnson fight when he took a year off after not being paid enough, he looked like a completely different fighter In that sense. That Is extremely clear to me or anyone who's been watching him closely over the years, his boxing has Improved leaps and bounds. His grappling has gotten tighter as well and I don't think he's as much of a twig as he'd been In the past when he was predominantly eating raw vegan. Him having a big strength disadvantage has always been an Issue for him.

The way I see It, Nate has always been In the shadow of Nick. That changed pretty dramatically starting In the Michael Johnson and Conor fights. Nate needed a BIG fight to really reach into himself and achieve his full potential as a fighter I feel. The difference between the two had always been the boxing but that difference Is negligible at this stage of Nate's career. You could even argue he's better In some ways. So, yeah.. I would say that If you haven't seen any Improvement's In Nate's game over the years, you simply aren't looking closely enough or you're operating from a bit of confirmation bias.

Eddie has some decent grappling, particularly defensively..but again, controlling Nate on the ground In the way that Benson henderson ( amazing grappler) and RDA( amazing top game) Isn't as easy as you or others seem to believe. That's a winnable fight for Eddie, for sure..but I don't think he'd have an easy time at all at any point In the fight, even If he creates a gameplan around taking him down / attempting to nullify his game from the top.

Again, Nate Is beatable on paper but he Is not an easy fight for anyone. Neither Diaz bro Is. Regardless of what you or the rest of Sherdog seems to think.
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He may not be an "easy" fight for Eddie, but I don't think he'd be too tough either tbh. Eddie trains under Almeida and has been a solid wrestler for a long time. He's got the strength advantage over Nate, even if Nate is bigger now than he was years ago.

Nate has good boxing for sure, but that doesn't mean you automatically win. Maybe vs a guy who's only going to try to box with you, but, Eddie has shown he mixes it up well.

Also, Nick > Nate. Not even really close.
 
Pakman said:
He may not be an "easy" fight for Eddie, but I don't think he'd be too tough either tbh. Eddie trains under Almeida and has been a solid wrestler for a long time. He's got the strength advantage over Nate, even if Nate is bigger now than he was years ago.

Nate has good boxing for sure, but that doesn't mean you automatically win. Maybe vs a guy who's only going to try to box with you, but, Eddie has shown he mixes it up well.

Also, Nick > Nate. Not even really close.
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What separated the two has always been the boxing. The difference between the two In that sense Is far more negligible at this point than It's ever been.

I don't know who wins It. You're nuts if you don't think It's a tough fight for both guys though. Either one could take It.
 
MescalineDreams said:
his boxing has improved leaps and bounds over the years. Boxing Is my realm, I was never really Impressed with him In that sense during his previous LW run. Always thought Nick was the superior boxer. Starting In the Michael Johnson fight when he took a year off after not being paid enough, he looked like a completely different fighter In that sense. That Is extremely clear to me or anyone who's been watching him closely over the years, his boxing has Improved leaps and bounds. His grappling has gotten tighter as well and I don't think he's as much of a twig as he'd been In the past when he was predominantly eating raw vegan. Him having a big strength disadvantage has always been an Issue for him.

The way I see It, Nate has always been In the shadow of Nick. That changed pretty dramatically starting In the Michael Johnson and Conor fights. The difference between the two had always been the boxing but that difference Is negligible at this stage of Nate's career. You could even argue he's better In some ways. So, yeah.. I would say that If you haven't seen any Improvement's In Nate's game over the years, you simply aren't looking closely enough or you're operating from a bit of confirmation bias.

Eddie has some decent grappling, particularly defensively..but again, controlling Nate on the ground In the way that Benson henderson ( amazing grappler) and RDA( amazing top game) Isn't as easy as you or others seem to believe. That's a winnable fight for Eddie, for sure..but I don't think he'd have an easy time at all at any point In the fight, even If he creates a gameplan around taking him down / attempting to nullify his game from the top.
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Nate's success against MJ was impressive but highly indicative of MJ's lack of defense or variety in strikes. Nate's boxing has improved plenty but that was never a hole in his game.

His grappling has not been tested at all since his loss to RDA so I have no idea what you're basing that off of. And He's looked less like a twig because his last fights were at WW.

Nate's last 3 fights have been against strikers, which have never presented issues to him before. His performance in those fights while good show no improvements in his glaring flaws.

Eddie has had plenty of success implementing that game plan in the UFC against Pettis and Melendez. Most of Nate's losses have been from that game plan. While it may not be easy, it is still very much in Eddie's favor.
 
XxWolfXx said:
Amazing matchup. I got Eddie.
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Fan of both (more so Nate) I just love the matchup, should be a great fight that I think Nate has a good shot at winning. Though I'd have to agree Eddie would be the favorite.
 
I'm an Eddie fan, so I love this fight. Eddie can get an easy finish and add to his resume.

Jarl
 
First the UFC needs to pay Nate for the fight and make it worth wile for him to risk his big Conor pay day.

Second what exactly are people expecting from this fight ? Eddie will get the decision win and sherdog will be full with topics on how boring the fight was and that Edddie did just wall and stall.
 
Arkridge said:
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Was the contract signed in eddie’s head using imaginary ink?


brian said:
That fight won't pay Nate enough money, he's coming back for either Conor, 155lb title or 170lb title.
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No...the UFC and Woodly basically begged woodly to take the ww title shot, where have you been hibernating.
It was still not enough money.
Only Conor can bring him back since gsp’s ass is bleeding, he’s worth more than all the belts combined, sadly...
 
Bboy said:
Imagine is Nate wins. McGregor vs. Nate 3 would happen instantly regardless of the rest of the division.
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Nate doesn't have enough power to put eddie away. And lets face it, when it comes to a scrap, eddie wins 10/10.
 
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