Does anyone think Stipe beats Prime Cro Cop? | Page 8

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  1. mkt Red Belt

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    LOL, my oh my do people overrate the Pride-era fighters. Randleman had power, but that was about it as far as striking goes. Watch him against Chuck--very low-level striking acumen.
     
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  2. mkt Red Belt

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    Speaking of Overeem vs Stipe, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Stipe took down Cro-Cop. I know, Cro-Cop stuffed a 40+ year old Mark Coleman, who telegraphed his TDs from 15 feet away. For that reason, he supposedly had world-class TDD. But Big Nog and Gonzaga (neither of which are close to Div 1 wrestlers) both got Mirko to the ground. Stipe can mix his TDs with striking, which makes them much less predictable and more effective.

    I give the advantage to Stipe.
     
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  3. DayV Orange Belt

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    Ye.
    Cro Cop was lighter guy in 70-80% of his fights, he fought with 210-215 lbs in his prime.

    How about this:

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    MIRKO VS RANKED OPPONENTS:

    WIN - Muhammed Lawal - Dec/29/2016
    15 LHW - 2016 - Dec 27 - USA Today Sports/MMAJunkie
    9 LHW - 2016 - Dec - ESPN.com/mma
    13 HW - 2016 - Dec - Fightmatrix
    12 LHW - 2016 - Dec 01 - Fightmatrix
    12 LHW - 2016 - Dec - ScorecardMMA
    12 LHW - 2016 - Dec - RankingMMA
    8 LHW - 2016 - Sept 6 - Bleacher Report

    WIN - Gabriel Gonzaga - Apr/11/2015
    14 - HW - 2015 - Mar - UFC Official Rankings
    15 - HW - 2015 - Apr 3 - Tapology

    WIN - Josh Barnett - Sep/10/2006 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict Absolute
    4 HW - 2006 - AUG - Associated Fight Press
    4 HW - 2006 - Aug 29 - MMA Weekly
    *JUL1:Barnett>Hunt*
    5 HW - 2006 - Jun 16 (26) - MMA Fighting

    WIN - Wanderlei Silva - Sep/10/2006 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict Absolute
    9 HW - 2006 - Aug - Inside Fighting
    10 HW - 2006 - AUG - Associated Fight Press
    2 LHW - 2006 - AUG - Associated Fight Press
    2 LHW - 2006 - Aug 29 - MMA Weekly
    *JUL1:Wand>Fujita*
    9 P4P - 2006 - JUNE 16 (26) - MMA Fighting

    WIN - Hidehiko Yoshida - Jul/1/2006 -- Pride FC - Critical Countdown Absolute
    12 HW - 2006 - Feb 27 - MMAFighting.net
    14 HW - 2006 - May 31 - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll

    WIN - Josh Barnett - Oct/23/2005 -- Pride 30 - Fully Loaded
    7 HW - 2005 - Oct 7 - MMA Fighting
    6 HW - 2005 - Oct 25 - MMA Collective Rankings
    9 HW - 2005 - SEP (12) - Bloody Knux
    7 HW - 2005 - Aug 12 - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll

    WIN - Ibragim Magomedov - Jun/26/2005
    11 HW - 2005 - FEB 28 - MMA Collective - MMARanks.com

    WIN - Kevin Randleman - Dec/31/2004 -- Pride - Shockwave 2004
    9 HW - 2004 - Dec 19 - Associated Fight Press
    8 HW - 2004 - Dec - Inside Fighting
    13 HW - 2004 - NOV - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
    13 HW - 2004 - Nov 14 - MMA Fighting
    7 LHW - 2004 - Oct 15 - Stephen Quadros Top 10

    WIN - Josh Barnett - Oct/31/2004 -- Pride 28 - High Octane
    3 HW - 2004 - Oct 15 - Stephen Quadros Top 10
    3 HW - 2004 - Sep 21 - ADCC MMA Rankings
    3 HW - 2004 - SEP (3?) - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
    3 HW - 2004 - Aug 23 - MMA News
    3 HW - 2004 - Jul 5 - MMA Fighting

    WIN - Ron Waterman - Feb/1/2004 -- Pride 27 - Inferno
    6 SHW - 2004 - Jan 4 - MMA Collective-Ufight

    WIN - Igor Vovchanchyn - Aug/10/2003 -- Pride FC - Total Elimination 2003
    10 HW - 2003 - Jun 28 - Stepehen Quadros
    6 HW - 2003 - Jul 5 - ADCC MMA Rankings
    12 HW - 2003 - JUN - Associated Fight Press
    14 HW - 2003 - JUN - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll

    WIN - Heath Herring - Jun/8/2003 -- Pride 26 - Bad to the Bone
    6 HW - 2003 - MAY - Associated Fight Press
    5 HW - 2003 - May 4 - MMA News
    8 HW - 2003 - APR - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
    6 HW - 2003 - Mar 17 - Stepehen Quadros
    6 HW - 2003 - Feb 15 - MMA Media Top 10

    WIN - Kazushi Sakuraba - Aug/28/2002 -- Pride FC - Shockwave
    2 MW - 2002 - JUL - Associated Fight Press
    3 MW - 2002 - Jun 18 - Stepehen Quadros
    2 MW - 2002 - Jun 11 - MMA Media Top 10

    WIN - Kazuyuki Fujita - Aug/19/2001 -- K-1 - Andy Hug Memorial
    7 HW - 2001 - Aug 14 - MMA Media Top 10
    6 HW - 2001 - Aug 6 - Stepehen Quadros
     
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  4. mkt Red Belt

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    Ok, Cro-Cop beat LHW Randleman in a rematch...the same Randleman who lost to almost every good opponent he ever fought (Barretto, Erickson, Rutten, Randy, Chuck, Rampage, Sak, Fedor, Shogun, etc.). No disrespect to Randleman (RIP), but his record was 17-16. Not sure why he's considered such a great win for a HW.

    And Cro-Cop went 1-1 against him.
     
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  5. milenss Fedorless

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    Some of these rankings are extremely liberal. I prefer to use Fight Matrix but regardless, as I said he has very few top 10 HW wins.

    As for his weight he fluctuated throughout his career. He got up to 240 at one point
     
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    Stipe batters him AND EASY. This is a guy that couldn't even go .500 in the UFC. He's a fraud like the other Pride fighters are frauds.
     
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    Depends where the fight takes place, Cro Cop was never as effective in the cage as he was in the ring. In the UFC I would take Stipe to win by a decision or a TKO. Under Pride rules its a better fight for Cro Cop but I still think Stipe would beat him. Stipe has the style to beat him, very good foot work and pressure to corner his opponent and land strong punches and he mixes up his take downs very well. This is the style that gives CC the most problems.
     
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  9. Eredin Double Yellow Card

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    I think Stipe's stiff upright stance would be perfect for Cro Cop to land that left straight or kick.

    He'd most likely dominate Cro Cop on the ground though and still has a good chance on the feet himself.

    Tough one.
     
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    Would be a war. Both have legit power. Going with Prime Crocop after he tests the chin of Stipe.
     
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  11. Highflyer Brown Belt

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    the cro cop of around 2004 to 2006 wins, especially the versions in the aleks, wand, and barnett fights; quick, confident, hungry, and on point.

    so what if stipe is "more well rounded," (wrestling wise) it's not like the fight will hit the mat. and if it does, stipe won't be able to do much with it anyway. even fedor, the gnp master, couldn't get much off.

    it will be a standing striking contest mostly, of which cro cop's speed and kicks in his arsenal will crush stipe. probably will look like the aleks fight.
     
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    Hell no.

    Stipe is a dog shit striker compared to Prime Cro Cop, Stipe doesn't do anything good he is just tough and can hit decently hard he has nearly been finished and not looked outstanding in past few fights. And let us never forget he was knocked out by Struve (in his prime).

    People can mention Cro Cop being k.o. by Randleman but that wasn't him being outclassed rather just caught by a lucky haymaker. Struve meanwhile tore Stipe up
     
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  14. LORDTENSAIMMA Double Yellow Card

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    Did you not see Cro Cop stuff randleman, Nog numerous times, Josh Barnett, ishii the judo gold medalist, Alex E and heath herring? Durrrrrr
     
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  15. moreorless87 Gold Belt

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    Randleman did have speed/power though and unlike a lot of wrestlers could throw a punch with good form. He didn't have a rounded technical standup game but then again he didn't show that vs Crocop, it was just landing one well timed punch which I think he had potential to do vs anyone and happened to do on that night.

    In the rematch you see exactly the other side of him losing just as easily as he'd previously won. That's why I think he's one of those fighters were the name might not be massive on your win list but the performance can be if you have to deal with an inspired moment.

    Again I think all the people talking up evolution really need to answer the defence that JDS and Overeem showed against the cage, You can talk in generalised platitudes and mention coaching and the like but lets be honest, they were VERY poor in these situations, neither could slip out the back door like Mirko, neither had counters like Mirko and neither had head movement like Mirko.

    This is what evolved defence looks like, mixed in with great counters...

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  16. Wogman White Belt

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    Probably not. Cro cop would give him some serious leg kicks and counter strikes if he came in. Stipe is good, but he isn't outstanding and on a league of his own
     
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    Only 2 things could happen;
    1) right leg hospital
    2) left leg cemetery
     
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  18. DayV Orange Belt

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    Forgret Fightmatrix.
    It didn't exist before 2008 and is calculated 15 years later and is not original.
    Find original rankings from relevant MMA media from specific period in MMA history.
    It requires time and work and you can't just click them in one site or one forum thread.

    Use https://web.archive.org/


    How did you come to conclusion that "Cro Cop has very few top 10 wins"?

    Study this thread:

    http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/top-10-wins-of-mma-fighters-list.3383459/
    and older ones like this one:
    http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/gsp-most-top-5-wins-hendo-most-top-10-wins.2483907/
    and others on this and other forums.

    And study metodology of calculating wins and comparing fighters.


    Cro Cop is actually one of fighters with most top 10 wins.


    Considering his weight, count and calcualte and you will find that he was in large majority of fights in his career lighter man, often by a big margin.
     
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  19. kirsky Blue Belt

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    Id watched Juiced CC now vs current Stipe :), and would root after CC. Do not underestimate the power of the juice.
     
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