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Going out isn't an early stoppage. Watch closely, Chiesa goes out and Yamasaki stops it exactly at the right time.
I just watched it and he didn't go out.
Going out isn't an early stoppage. Watch closely, Chiesa goes out and Yamasaki stops it exactly at the right time.
You're daft as hell.
It does not matter if it was punches specifically, if it were the same situation with elbows instead of punches would those words now be irrelevant?
Cutting off circulation to your opponents brain via blood choke causes trauma and impairs the victim just like strikes to the head do. In this case the choke brought Cheisa to the point where he was no longer making an effective effort to defend himself which gave Mario the hint that he was no longer fit to continue the fight.
This was the exact equivalent of stopping a fight by TKO rather then letting the fighter be KO'd, it was meant to spare cheisa from unnecessary trauma once he was no longer fighting. Its honestly sad that you're unable to understand such simple things.
Mario has the experience, the knowledge,expertise,training and the authority to judge when a fighter is no longer fit to continue the fight while you are a braindead bum in his mom's basement with no effective argument.
You are claiming that Mario made a mistake according to the rules, tell me which rule he broke.
EDIT: it also isn't as black and white as you say here's another quote from McCarthy
"Have I ever had a fighter scream out in a pain and I stopped the fight? Yes. Jeremy Stephens did it against Din Thomas. As soon as I stopped it, he said, "I didn't tap," and I said, "Yes, you did. What did I tell you in the back?"
We go over in the back, I tell them, if you scream out on a submission in pain, it is the same as tapping out. You're asking me to stop the fight. It's going to happen. The fight's over, you're going to lose."
Stephens did not actually tap, but he showed distress by screaming and John stopped the contest.
In this fight Cheisa showed his distress by his inactivity and unresponsiveness.
You're retarded, if anyone is still in the fight and able to continue they will fight the choke they will defend themselves.Showed distress by inactivity and unresponsiveness? You're even dumber than I thought.
Seriously, let's just create some idiotic theories just for trying to prove your point.
Also, describing me all the awful consequences of passing out due to a choke (completely messing up with different processes, BTW - but I don't expect from you to have a slight understanding in anatomy, internet hero) - it's all nice, but in this case, answer one simple question: Why are all these cruel referees let the fighters pass out and do not stop the fights beforehand?
Because you will not be able to find one other single example of the fight, where the referee stopped the submission attempt to "intelligently defend".
This is simply not how MMA works. How it's supposed to work.
Or, maybe, you think that genius Yamasaki has just made a breakthrough act and from now on referees will stopped fights before the fighter taps or passes out?
Either you have no MMA knowledge and you argue just for the sake of arguing, or you're delusional.
Probably both.
#StillPhotosAlready posted this in another thread but damn, this really makes me think the choke was not as bad as it looked.
(No pressure on the left side of Chiesa's neck, hands aren't fully locked, Lee's back jammed up against the cage, forearm on the windpipe...which sucks but wont make you tap)
There is a lot of wiggle room there. It's just one pic but I'm pretty sure it was from just before the stoppage.
Already posted this in another thread but damn, this really makes me think the choke was not as bad as it looked.
(No pressure on the left side of Chiesa's neck, hands aren't fully locked, Lee's back jammed up against the cage, forearm on the windpipe...which sucks but wont make you tap)
There is a lot of wiggle room there. It's just one pic but I'm pretty sure it was from just before the stoppage.
Come on bro. Everybody who tranes knows about "possum hands". He was about 3 seconds from escaping and securing mount based on the gif.
I already commented on this picture... and this shows that while it is tighter, the left side of Chiesa's neck is still not receiving direct pressure.This was mid adjustment, this wasn't the choke. Kevin's elbow is posted so that his other arm can slip through deeper.
Below is the real choke
The choke wasn't as bad as shertards think .. chiesa most likely felt lee's arms giving out , plus the choke wasn't locked in that great and he triangle wasn't correct either .. chiesa was playing possum and was about to attempt to burst out of it. Either way= we all lose
Get the fuck out of here. What unnecessary damage?Yes it is, reffs are supposed to stop the fight before the fighter passes out to prevent unnecessary damage Cheisa was no longer intelligently defending himself which indicated to Mario that he wasn't fit to continue.
I already commented on this picture... and this shows that while it is tighter, the left side of Chiesa's neck is still not receiving direct pressure.
Dude, I'm trying to not make you look stupid.Cause you're a dipshit, go follow this link and you'll see just how tight the RNC was. Since sherdog doesn't allow getty image embedding
Chokes outcome are supposed to be either tap or nap.
"No real defense" is not a reason to stop a fight in this case.
Literally in the rule bookShow me in the rule books where it says that.
Chokes outcome are supposed to be either tap or nap.
"No real defense" is not a reason to stop a fight in this case.
Well that's good because he stopped the fight due to the tap that we all can clearly see in the clip, not from "no defense" as you put it.
Not defending and moving your hand in a tapping manner gets the fight stopped everytime. Rightfully so.