Elections Challenger to Elizabeth Warren's Senate seat uses sign calling her "fake Indian"

[Trotsky]

I just read your post again my bad I thought you were calling Warren Indian.

Haha, no problem. Like Fawlty hinted on, though, the nomenclature is kind of confusing and contradictory.

In 1995, 50% preferred "Indian" and 35% preferred "Native American." I'm pretty sure it's tightened since then, but generally iirc the older members of the community prefer "Indian" and the younger members who grew up in a society that was more conscious of how that was inaccurate and kind of based in racism prefer "Native American."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/fts/bismarck_200504A16.html

 

[Limbo Pete]

Haha, no problem. Like Fawlty hinted on, though, the nomenclature is kind of confusing and contradictory.

In 1995, 50% preferred "Indian" and 35% preferred "Native American." I'm pretty sure it's tightened since then, but generally iirc the older members of the community prefer "Indian" and the younger members who grew up in a society that was more conscious of how that was inaccurate and kind of based in racism prefer "Native American."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/fts/bismarck_200504A16.html

Never trust native statistics of any sort imo lol

 

[Fawlty]

@Limbo Pete my education on the shockingly strong assimilation of a lot of natives, even in our early history, led me to this dude:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_McGillivray

Yeah, Chief Alexander McGillivray in the 1700's. What the fuck on toast? I believe he was only a quarter Creek. British Colonel and later an American General. Treaty protester and slave owner.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

In the last election, Republicans tried to arrest the Democratic candidate on trumped-up charges

Hahahahahahaha you make it sound like the Republicans were so scared of Clinton they tried to lock her up. maybe she mishandled classified info which is you know.... kind of against the law

 

[Madmick]

That follow up post doesn't relate to your initial claim at all. Were you confused, or are you simply deflecting?

I was confused by this, but then I realized I didn't specify Harvard, or for what she was applying, and that my comment about admissions for students misled you to believe this was about her undergraduate years or something (which isn't during the period of expanding AA). This was about her touting herself as a Native American to advance her prospects in Academia.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I've never followed or cared about politics in my life, and I did not try to educate myself during the last election. But everything started getting swamped with these negative campaign ads, from both sides. I never saw one ad which said what this person was going to do, just what a scumbag the other person was. Kind of killed TV for me.

Home and garden channel is the only thing that was spared.

How are your petunias this year?

 

[Limbo Pete]

@Limbo Pete my education on the shockingly strong assimilation of a lot of natives, even in our early history, led me to this dude:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_McGillivray

Yeah, Chief Alexander McGillivray in the 1700's. What the fuck on toast? I believe he was only a quarter Creek. British Colonel and later an American General. Treaty protester and slave owner.

History is full of all sorts of interesting characters like that
As for the quarter part, it's important to note that blood quantum is something that was applied to tribes. Many came to, and still do, embrace it, but especially with a matrilineal system such as the Muscogee have, things were viewed very differently.

 

[Trotsky]

Warren claimed Native American status when applying to college. Due to institutionalized racism i.e. "affirmative action" that allows universities to discriminate against people based on their race, religion, or gender, she would have benefited from a remarkable lowering of standards for admission based on the standards universities have employed aggressively for the past 40 years in order to become more "diverse".

Still no correction? I went to the Google, and you are clearly not correct, or at best making a claim based on assumption or alternative fact. There is no record of her claiming it in her college/graduate admissions nor even an allegation that she did, and there's no evidence of her claiming it even in her employment applications. The only evidence is that she mentioned it in interviews for a faculty position at Harvard Law and was listed in a directory and a cook book.

You should really own up to having stated incorrect information, since apparently a lot of people took your post for fact when it wasn't, including @Tropodan @mr.bigglesworth @Gutter Chris @Arkain2K @JamesRussler @HockeyBjj @Gyro @Der Eisbär @Scheme and @LogicalInsanity.

In fact, there were documents obtained from her law school admission and her teaching position at UT that imply otherwise.

The Globe obtained a portion of Warren’s application to Rutgers, which asks if prospective students want to apply for admission under the school’s Program for Minority Group Students. Warren answered “no.”

For her employment documents at the University of Texas, Warren indicated that she was “white.”

Regardless, white folks arbitrarily claiming non-white lineage for novelty is fucked up. But your claim is inaccurate, and the reality of her claims (really misstatements as much as anything) is hardly, hardly enough to compare her to morally bankrupt politicians, let alone the king of them in Trump.

 

[Fawlty]

History is full of all sorts of interesting characters like that
As for the quarter part, it's important to note that blood quantum is something that was applied to tribes. Many came to, and still do, embrace it, but especially with a matrilineal system such as the Muscogee have, things were viewed very differently.

Getting involved in injun blood politics sounds like a good way for me to get myself scalped

One of these days I'll dig up my old treaty picture. It has my great-something grandpa signing, and except for a couple people wearing headdress, you cannot tell the natives from the 'merkins. We're talking people with timber or log-frame houses, livestock, small farms, common clothes being driven away. My whole life, that whole "assimilation" picture was painted very differently.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

It should be, but the rightwing smear machine has already created a fictional bio for her, and all the stooges on the right have bought it.

Even their immediate families bought it!

So she hasn't claimed to be native and doubled down on her stupidity?

 

[JamesRussler]

Still no correction? I went to the Google, and you are clearly not correct, or at best making a claim based on assumption or alternative fact. There is no record of her claiming it in her college/graduate admissions nor even an allegation that she did, and there's no evidence of her claiming it even in her employment applications. The only evidence is that she mentioned it in interviews for a faculty position at Harvard Law and was listed in a directory and a cook book.

You should really own up to having stated incorrect information, since apparently a lot of people took your post for fact when it wasn't, including @Tropodan @mr.bigglesworth @Gutter Chris @Arkain2K @JamesRussler @HockeyBjj @Gyro @Der Eisbär @Scheme and @LogicalInsanity.

In fact, there were documents obtained from her law school admission and her teaching position at UT that imply otherwise.



Regardless, white folks arbitrarily claiming non-white lineage for novelty is fucked up. But your claim is inaccurate, and the reality of her claims (really misstatements as much as anything) is hardly, hardly enough to compare her to morally bankrupt politicians, let alone the king of them in Trump.

I didn’t read his post. I disagree with Pocahontas’s substantive policy positions (mostly) aside from this amusing side show. Liberals genuinely seem to hate her for it.

And you know how I feel about her. By all means, nominate her. That would be a fun fight.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Getting involved in injun blood politics sounds like a good way for me to get myself scalped

One of these days I'll dig up my old treaty picture. It has my great-something grandpa signing, and except for a couple people wearing headdress, you cannot tell the natives from the 'merkins. We're talking people with timber or log-frame houses, livestock, small farms, common clothes being driven away. My whole life, that whole "assimilation" picture was painted very differently.

It depends on where you were. "assimilation" meant a wide variety of things. The treatment of native people in California, for example, was essentially genocidal with the gold rush. Or take the Cherokee, who had very closely assimilated practices at the time of their removal, but it happened anyway to terrible, terrible effect. Imo i'd say those kind of stories like the guy mentioned above are somewhat more common in regions that had an established frontier boundary bleed for at least some length of time, such as the old northwest or the curve of the southeast. That's just speculation on my part though.

And yeah, native politics can be absolutely god awful lol
Imagine how ugly regular politics can get, now make some but not all of the elected officials reasonably well off, the rest poor, and all of them related by blood or marriage somehow.

 

[Trotsky]

I didn’t read his post. I disagree with Pocahontas’s substantive policy positions (mostly) aside from this amusing side show. Liberals genuinely seem to hate her for it.

And you know how I feel about her. By all means, nominate her. That would be a fun fight.

Like what?

Her wheelhouse is in financial regulations. So would your position be that investment fiduciaries should be able to recklessly gamble with retirees' savings to attain exorbitant profits, and that they should be able to lie, cheat, steal, and destabilize our economy only to have the country face the decision of bailing them out with more of the public's hard-earned money or instead initiate a true global depression?

Also, it would not be a fun fight. It would be an extremely intelligent and qualified woman with detailed, thoughtful, and complex policies aimed in good faith toward improving the lives of her country....against a flabby orangutan who keeps calling her "Pocahontas" and asking why no one calls Sean Hannity.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

“Russia”



LOLOLOLOLOLLLLL



Btw, her Indian lie isn’t the problematic thing for me, it’s her brand of “never gonna happen in a million years” politics that make me completely disregard anything she has to say. It’s a policy pipedream.

I’m a pragmatist.

Yeah it’s such a pipe dream to make sure Wall Street doesn’t go unchecked and we don’t have another financial meltdown.


Republicans wish they had someone like warren who looks out for them. Instead you have crooks and pedophiles all over the place

 

[Prime Rib]

I didn’t read his post. I disagree with Pocahontas’s substantive policy positions (mostly) aside from this amusing side show. Liberals genuinely seem to hate her for it.

And you know how I feel about her. By all means, nominate her. That would be a fun fight.

You are a kid and you know shit about policy. Alt-right......keep changing that AV you poor challenged soul.

 

[Prime Rib]

Yeah it’s such a pipe dream to make sure Wall Street doesn’t go unchecked and we don’t have another financial meltdown.


Republicans wish they had someone like warren who looks out for them. Instead you have crooks and pedophiles all over the place

A crash of the market is coming. I'm investing in stock that isn't in the U.S. so it doesn't necessarily go up and down with the DOW.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

A crash of the market is coming. I'm investing in stock that isn't in the U.S. so it doesn't necessarily go up and down with the DOW.

I sure hope we don’t have a market crash. The one from 2008 was not a good time for the country.

But I’m sure the elites will gladly accept the socialist handouts from the government and still brand the general public as commies for wanting similar treatment

 

[JamesRussler]

Like what?

Her wheelhouse is in financial regulations. So would your position be that investment fiduciaries should be able to recklessly gamble with retirees' savings to attain exorbitant profits, and that they should be able to lie, cheat, steal, and destabilize our economy only to have the country face the decision of bailing them out with more of the public's hard-earned money or instead initiate a true global depression?

Also, it would not be a fun fight. It would be an extremely intelligent and qualified woman with detailed, thoughtful, and complex policies aimed in good faith toward improving the lives of her country....against a flabby orangutan who keeps calling her "Pocahontas" and asking why no one calls Sean Hannity.

I actually like her position on financial regulations and corporate responsibility. PHone dying , finish post tomorrow.

Edit: @Trotsky I have a special distrust for big banks and investment bankers given the reckless ways they threw other people’s money around recently. I could write a controversial treatise on it, so for purposes of this post, suffice to say that the banking industry is one of very few where everyone needs a spanking. That puts me at odds with a lot of Republicans BTW. But IMO that might make Warren a candidate (not a shoe-in) to run the SEC or some other regulatory agency, not POTUS. Moreover, as a general rule, I want LESS regulation, and I doubt Warren would stop with banks and securities exchanges. She has a proposed government solution to every problem, and that’s pretty much the opposite of progress in my view. I don’t agree with Warren on much else, especially her progressive socio-cultural positions. Given the prominence of the SCOTUS on socio-cultural issues in recent years (a byproduct of our increasing efforts to shape culture through legislation), her Court appointments would be enough of a reason to oppose her.

I would have an absolute blast if Warren were the candidate. I will not try to change your mind.

 

[ElKarlo]

Yea no shit ...

The American dream route is much more civil , relatable and inspirational. .

Gtfo with this fake Indian shit...its Not like Warren has been collecting checks from local casinos because she claims their heritage

I find it disgusting that today, politics go straight to the down and dirty. Guy could have done as you said, and Painted Warren as a leftist weirdo, and that would have been fine. But nope

 

[Prime Rib]

I actually like her position on financial regulations and corporate responsibility. PHone dying , finish post tomorrow

Swallow your phone and fuck off.