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Probably not.Will you take a bet on this?
On what ,though? I don't really get what you're asking.
Probably not.Will you take a bet on this?
I've been complaining about Bob's bait and switch tactics for Pac since the third Bradley fight so I know what you mean. Loma's still coming up though he's not at the end of his career like Pac. I think the Garcia fight gets made because it's a money fight and the winner will be a PFP frontrunner.Probably not.
On what ,though? I don't really get what you're asking.
wait, you don't think lara is elite? damn.Canelo best win was an old Cotto. Lara and Trout were wins by a thin margin and neither should be thought as elite.
In my definition of Elite there is not Many "elite fighters" out there. Lomo, Bud, Canelo, GGG, Ward, Kovalev, Roman and a few more I consider current Elite -- Trout and Lara are very good fighters.wait, you don't think lara is elite? damn.
i don't understand how winning a close fight doesn't count as a win either.
What criteria do you use to classify a fighter eliteIn my definition of Elite there is not Many "elite fighters" out there. Lomo, Bud, Canelo, GGG, Ward, Kovalev, Roman and a few more I consider current Elite -- Trout and Lara are very good fighters.
And I never said the wins shouldn't count just they were controversial.
What criteria do you use to classify a fighter elite
wait, you don't think lara is elite? damn.
i don't understand how winning a close fight doesn't count as a win either.
Lara didn't "arguably" beat him. He lost.To be fair Lara arguably beat him ..... Lara is a superb fighter but elites? Ehhh I'm not sure elite is well elite
Lara didn't "arguably" beat him. He lost.
Pac lost to Bradley too.Sure sure the judges said so .... It was no PAC Bradley but yea
yeah, he arguably beat him, in a very close fight. except he didn't, and that's really not a compelling argument to make against someone.To be fair Lara arguably beat him ..... Lara is a superb fighter but elites? Ehhh I'm not sure elite is well elite
yeah, he arguably beat him, in a very close fight. except he didn't, and that's really not a compelling argument to make against someone.
if lara was some bum, i'd understand the criticism. but i honestly believe he's a brilliant fighter who could beat anyone at 155 or 160. so how his fight is used to discredit canelo blows my mind... he's supposed to be everything that canelo can't handle, yet alvarez managed to beat him. it wasn't easy, but he did come out on top.
Pac lost to Bradley too.
You can't decide that the Patriots didn't really win the superbowl. If every fighter were disqualified from being great because some fans didn't agree with a decision, then you'd be disqualifying a lot of guys we call great.
i read your post fine, i never said you think lara is a bum. i said i don't understand the criticism, because lara isn't a bum: everyone knows how slick he is, yet he's being used when criticizing canelo. come on mate, maybe you should read more closely yourself.Eh we are talking p4p here the top of the top....im not discrediting him at all I'm not saying lara is some bum either(see my above post) ay ay people don't read sometimes........ I'm not saying the win is discounted (his records shows a win) but when you win a decision that could have have gone against you... it shouldn't be a major argument for you being p4p. Just my humble opinion. Don't you agree that the way you perform in a win is argumentative towards rank in p4p?
i read your post fine, i never said you think lara is a bum. i said i don't understand the criticism, because lara isn't a bum: everyone knows how slick he is, yet he's being used when criticizing canelo. come on mate, maybe you should read more closely yourself.
anyway, when you go "well... lara did almost beat him, and he's not elite", you are discrediting him. not in the sense that you're saying he sucks, obviously, but you are arguing against him. and i don't mind your opinion at all, really. in fact, i don't think canelo is a p4p great at all, i'm just baffled by the reasons some people list when having the same opinion. and i agree that how you win is important, i'm just saying the way he won against lara wasn't that bad. lara will make anyone look like shit, beating him in any way is impressive as fuck.