Breaking Update (AP): Manafort Secretly Worked for Russian Billionaire

I think that's all rational, but at the far end of the range of probable realities. The opposite far end being that he's personally or by proxy (on his orders) colluding to weaken NATO. I'm equally likely to believe those two states of affairs atm.

I think you might be underestimating the influence of Bannon on the decisions that are coming out of the White House. I find that if I think about the Trump administration in the context of Steve Bannon then everything makes sense. If I think about it in the context of Donald Trump (the man who drove multiple casinos and the USFL into the dirt because of his bad decision making), it doesn't make sense.

I firmly believe that Steve Bannon makes the decisions and then slowly brings Trump into agreement.
 
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I think you might be underestimating the influence of Bannon on the decisions that are coming out of the White House. I find that if I think about the Trump administration in the context of Steve Bannon then everything makes sense. If I think about it in the context of Donald Trump (the man who drove multiple casinos and the USFL into the dirt because of his bad decision making), it doesn't make sense.

I firmly believe that Steve Bannon makes the decisions and then slowly brings Trump into agreement.
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You seem like a smart guy....but i can only go by what i see around me. I have never been threatened by a Russian...
hes not smart. hes clueless and brainwashed.
i never witnessed russians in europe drive a truck into people, stab or shoot people because of their religion.
that guy is clueless and simply a russophobic clown. his momma merkel invides millions of muslims and many to follow with their entire families and yet russians are dangerous.
guy is obiviously blind not seing muslims take over the balkans (kosovo, bosnia, macedonia etc) and its just the beginning with erdogans politics. he can send them over by millions when he finally reaches full power in the next month.
europe can thank putin for stepping in in syria and showing erdogan the red line.
 
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@sub_thug How big of a threat is Russia really?
I truly believe that they are the single biggest threat to western democracy in the world today. They have some of the most advanced clandestine services in the world (both kinetic capabilities and espionage), an ability to project military force to most areas of the world extremely quickly, the brazenness to invade and full-on occupy NATO members and allies, and they are a nuclear power. ISIS doesn't keep me up at night, but the Russians do. I'm not alone. Most the Joints Chiefs of Staff have publicly stated their concerns. Both President Obama and President Trump have done/are doing the American public a disservice I think by not stating the threat level that the Russians present.
 
I think you might be underestimating the influence of Bannon on the decisions that are coming out of the White House.

You notice how lately when there is a Republican president there is the necessity of debating who really runs the country... because, it couldn't really be that moron, right? Cheney, Rumsfield, Bannon, Paul Ryan, etc.

Funny, I never remember people thinking Obama was just a puppet for the Biden agenda.

Maybe, just maybe, we should stop electing morons and we wouldn't have to worry so much about: whether or not they have secret handlers; if so, who those secret handlers are; and which of these alternatives is more terrifying.
 
I truly believe that they are the single biggest threat to western democracy in the world today. They have some of the most advanced clandestine services in the world (both kinetic capabilities and espionage), an ability to project military force to most areas of the world extremely quickly, the brazenness to invade and full-on occupy NATO members and allies, and they are a nuclear power. ISIS doesn't keep me up at night, but the Russians do. I'm not alone. Most the Joints Chiefs of Staff have publicly stated their concerns. Both President Obama and President Trump have done/are doing the American public a disservice I think by not stating the threat level that the Russians present.
So, in other words, Hillary's tone about Russia basically was right?
 
You notice how lately when there is a Republican president there is the necessity of debating who really runs the country... because, it couldn't really be that moron, right? Cheney, Rumsfield, Bannon, Paul Ryan, etc.

Funny, I never remember people thinking Obama was just a puppet for the Biden agenda.

Maybe, just maybe, we should stop electing morons and we wouldn't have to worry so much about: whether or not they have secret handlers; if so, who those secret handlers are; and which of these alternatives is more terrifying.

Well, I didn't buy the Cheney stuff because Bush had history as an elected governor. He was the son of a former President and had been in public service in various forms for large chunks of his adult life. He didn't randomly take an interest in public service at the tail end of his life.
 
So, in other words, Hillary's tone about Russia basically was right?
Well, I don't feel comfortable with that kind of dichotomous reasoning. It's not black and white. Russia certainly has no interest in being friendly with us, so President Trump's apparent comradery with Putin and the Russian government seems, at best, overly optimistic. At worst, it could be described as being gullible or foolhardy.

However, that doesn't mean that the Clinton proposition of enacting a No Fly Zone in Syria was smart either. Just because something is a threat doesn't mean that you have to foster confrontation or do a frontal assault. I don't think that overly aggressive policies are smart because it may cause the Russians to fortify positions, arm areas, and conduct operations that might further destabilize regions, threaten us or our allies, and/or push us towards a large-scale military conflict with Russia. That is inherently bad for what should be obvious reasons. There is this weird balance that needs to be struck between containing Russian aggression and allowing ourselves the freedom of non-commitment so that Russians actions do not force us to do anything that we really don't want to do. This is where you need real statesmen and thinkers to develop options based on intelligence and US capabilities.

One of the more elegant solutions may be to get the Russian political machine to decay from within. Of course I think this way because my areas of expertise are in guerilla warfare, insurgencies, and foreign internal defense, so hahaha. Perhaps there is a way to get Russian organized crime to become a larger threat to Russian politicians (Russia has huge issues with organized crime and corruption), depleting Russian resources in a way that prevents them from projecting force outwards. There are second and third-order effects to consider (I'm not a true Russian specialist, but I know a few), such as how nuclear material/intelligence might be commoditized and sold on the black market, so maybe it's in our interests to keep the Russian government from totally crumbling, but the crime problem may be a viable solution to handcuffing Russian influence to Moscow and not beyond. So many things to consider here...
 
Funny, I never remember people thinking Obama was just a puppet for the Biden agenda.

No they just started threads about how he was a Reptilians member of the Illuminati who takes part in Satanic rituals.

I wish I was kidding.
 
No they just started threads about how he was a Reptilians member of the Illuminati who takes part in Satanic rituals.

I wish I was kidding.
Yup. They've gotten so much more sophisticated these days. Notice there are no more Illuminati? Where did all the Illuminati go? They went the way of the killer clowns, I suppose. Now there are just "Globalists" (who are either Marxist Islamists or Zionist Bankers, depending who you ask, but they're definitely pedophiles).
 
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Yup. They've gotten so much more sophisticated these days. Notice there are no more Illuminati? Where did all the Illuminati go? They went the way of the killer clowns, I suppose. Now there are just "Globalists" (who are either Marxists Islamists or Zionist Bankers, depending who you ask, but they're definitely pedophiles).
All nonsense about Illuminati, I understand the ideological opposition to globalism. The very idea that we will stop worrying about the world's problems so much and start focusing on America's people more is a great sentiment that really resonates with people. From a purely ideological perspective, I agree with it. If I am being honest, starving kids in Africa and Syrians blowing each other up doesn't really care enough to want to do something about it. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but whatever. I don't fault an American for putting America first, nor do I fault a person who wants to use their resources to address a global problem.

The issue is that when you really get into the things that matter in each person's life, globalism really does matter. Trade agreements with China matter when your cell phones and computers are produced there. They matter when the steel used to build US tanks comes from China too. Things like OPEC and its influence matters when they could collectively raise the price of oil (fortunately, that no longer seems to be the case, as crude prices didn't raise when OPEC said that their prices would; prices only raised when US oil companies decided to raise crude rates). At the end of the day, we live in a world of networked economies, military treaties, trade agreements, and other things that have a big impact on American consumers and producers alike. Being an isolationist isn't focusing your efforts on your own problems in today's world; it is merely equivalent to putting your head into the sand while the rest of the world keeps turning. When you finally decide to pick your head out of the sand, you'll see the Chinese, Russians, and others have encroached upon your old territory, so you've got to work twice as hard to undo the work that they've done. I wish that more people understood this so that we could have a reasonable discussion about how to navigate in this decentralized world instead of opposing the very notion of it.
 
All nonsense about Illuminati, I understand the ideological opposition to globalism. The very idea that we will stop worrying about the world's problems so much and start focusing on America's people more is a great sentiment that really resonates with people. From a purely ideological perspective, I agree with it. If I am being honest, starving kids in Africa and Syrians blowing each other up doesn't really care enough to want to do something about it. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but whatever. I don't fault an American for putting America first, nor do I fault a person who wants to use their resources to address a global problem.

The issue is that when you really get into the things that matter in each person's life, globalism really does matter. Trade agreements with China matter when your cell phones and computers are produced there. They matter when the steel used to build US tanks comes from China too. Things like OPEC and its influence matters when they could collectively raise the price of oil (fortunately, that no longer seems to be the case, as crude prices didn't raise when OPEC said that their prices would; prices only raised when US oil companies decided to raise crude rates). At the end of the day, we live in a world of networked economies, military treaties, trade agreements, and other things that have a big impact on American consumers and producers alike. Being an isolationist isn't focusing your efforts on your own problems in today's world; it is merely equivalent to putting your head into the sand while the rest of the world keeps turning. When you finally decide to pick your head out of the sand, you'll see the Chinese, Russians, and others have encroached upon your old territory, so you've got to work twice as hard to undo the work that they've done. I wish that more people understood this so that we could have a reasonable discussion about how to navigate in this decentralized world instead of opposing the very notion of it.


The people who go "we shouldn't engage in this humanitarian thing over seas until we help people here" would go a lot further than it does if the people who tend to say this would stop electing officials who run on platforms of destroying programs that help our poor and homeless Americans.
 
Why?
I like Trump as well. But you don't see the obvious intention the Russians have here?
They are trying to separate the west. The same Stalin did they are trying to do now.
They actively try to cause infighting. How can you call yourself an American and stand for this or don't care about it?

Because their "side" is the seat of power for now...

That's funny because I thought we were all supposed to be on the same side... America.

People need to call balls and strikes or get off the freakin' pot. Because if you're not, all you're doing is helping the bad guys.
 
We all know you don't. You encourage lying too lol.
Still rustled i see...i'm the most honest guy you've ever spoken to on here, flag burner. I will tell you the truth to my own detriment. You're an anti civilization flid. Please stop talking to me..i don't want to argue with a person who probably deserves to be deported to the nearest active volcano..i'd find a more worthy conversation in the darkest depths of the Youtube comment section
 
Still rustled i see...i'm the most honest guy you've ever spoken to on here, flag burner. I will tell you the truth to my own detriment. You're an anti civilization flid. Please stop talking to me..i don't want to argue with a person who probably deserves to be deported to the nearest active volcano..i'd find a more worthy conversation in the darkest depths of the Youtube comment section
Your ass must still be toast from when I roasted you on religion. You left your tail in that other thread too btw.
 

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