Economy Bitcoin Doubters, Come Eat Your Crow

It's not an investment, it has no value behind it and it's not a claim on a productive asset. It's at best a limited service black market commidity.

I agree with you for the most part bro. I myself wouldn't want to invest in it that's why I haven't. As far as value it has no physical value, much like the US dollar. There is nothing backing it. Unlike the dollar which is only backed by the government saying it has value. Where bitcoin value comes from is the "investors" saying that it has value.

Like I said i can see a crypto currency becomong the currency of the future, but only if it's backed official by a government. I fear for bitcoin investors who have to much riding on bitcoins long term stability.
 
Classic definition of a currency
1. Medium of exchange
2. Store of wealth
3. A measure of value

Bitcoin has some uses under point 1 (especially if you are involved illegal activities) but is an epic fail at 2 & 3, it’s volatile and there is nothing backing it’s value besides the fact that people like to use it.

Not a great currency, not a great investment.

At lest fiat has the backing or claim on the future productive capacity of the economy it relates too. I accept a $1 for my labor or service because I know the US economy will accept it tomorrow for somebody elses labor, good, or service. I dont get what bitcoin does.

Bitcoin is innovative technology but it just does not serve the role of a currency well and has zero underlying value, so we are left with a valueless highly speculative investment.

Also unlike any old school currencies, there is not even the value of gold backing it up.

And again I do see the intrinsic value if you want to stay under the radar from govt, stay anonymous from the banking system, etc. then bitcoin has a service value.
 
I agree with you for the most part bro. I myself wouldn't want to invest in it that's why I haven't. As far as value it has no physical value, much like the US dollar. There is nothing backing it. Unlike the dollar which is only backed by the government saying it has value. Where bitcoin value comes from is the "investors" saying that it has value.

Like I said i can see a crypto currency becomong the currency of the future, but only if it's backed official by a government. I fear for bitcoin investors who have to much riding on bitcoins long term stability.

I agree with the bold. I could see a crypto currency pegging itself to a currency, in effect guaranteeing to exchange the crypto currency for hard currency. Issuing more if its value went up and buying it back if value fell. This would eliminate the volatility and fake investment aspect to it. It would then be a real currency and serve that function.

The massive irony for all the gold bugs out there is that fiat currency would the new gold that holds the currency in place.

As far as it being like the dollar, it is in that the dollar is not an investment. As u say it does not have govt backing, so it does not have the force of an economy backing it.
 
I agree with the bold. I could see a crypto currency pegging itself to a currency, in effect guaranteeing to exchange the crypto currency for hard currency. Issuing more if its value went up and buying it back if value fell. This would eliminate the volatility and fake investment aspect to it. It would then be a real currency and serve that function.

The massive irony for all the gold bugs out there is that fiat currency would the new gold that holds the currency in place.

As far as it being like the dollar, it is in that the dollar is not an investment. As u say it does not have govt backing, so it does not have the force of an economy backing it.

Gold trading has a whole other bag of issues, the biggest being traders selling gold that doesn't even exist. If you buy physical gold you will buy over market value for it, then you have to store it. If you decide to sell you get less than market value. It's super crazy the way the gold market works.

Anyways, I pretty much agree 100% with you on crypto currency. So I'll just wait for the barking dogs to tell me and you how dumb we are about bitcoin. You
 
Gold trading has a whole other bag of issues, the biggest being traders selling gold that doesn't even exist. If you buy physical gold you will buy over market value for it, then you have to store it. If you decide to sell you get less than market value. It's super crazy the way the gold market works.

Anyways, I pretty much agree 100% with you on crypto currency. So I'll just wait for the barking dogs to tell me and you how dumb we are about bitcoin. You
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Yeah my comment on gold was more a shot at the CT monetarist who love bitcoin and the gold standard.
 
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Yeah my comment on gold was more a shot at the CT monetarist who love bitcoin and the gold standard.

Luck for my I was talking about that place in Canada that got in trouble for doing what I said about not having the gold that they claimed so I avoid the CT label. LoL
 
lol I sold my bitcoins while it hit over 1k thinking i was smart, would be 20k richer if I held on to it, bought 500 worth of ether and litecoin now, gonna hold on it for a while just to see what happens, litecoin is like a more use friendly version of bitcoin
 
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Yeah my comment on gold was more a shot at the CT monetarist who love bitcoin and the gold standard.

What I find odd is if there really are people who were big on being against leaving the gold standard that jumped on to crypto. That wouldn't make sense but I could see it easily happening.
 
They don't need to price it as long as they find a counter party to take the other side of the transaction. That's how futures work, through an exchange or other contract I agree to buy at a price and the other side agrees to sell.

So in the case we will have two parties agreeing to exchange a nothing for something....

Is there anything that moves that far that quickly which has futures?

Youd need hourly margin calls.
 
Luck for my I was talking about that place in Canada that got in trouble for doing what I said about not having the gold that they claimed so I avoid the CT label. LoL


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Sorry lol not following
 
What I find odd is if there really are people who were big on being against leaving the gold standard that jumped on to crypto. That wouldn't make sense but I could see it easily happening.

For sure becuase it buys into the anti central banker theme. Crypto can’t be controlled by Central bank which is also why they like the gold standard as well. Never mind has even less base to it that fiat and becuase it is an added currency with no intrincis value, it’s effect have to be inflationary on balance.
 
Coming back to this finally:

Before getting into this, I want to note that I don't come in these threads to attack people but I'm actually concerned for the average joe that is more likely to put $500 down on Bitcoin rather than towards their 401k/IRA when that may be a significant amount of their investment funds in a year. That to me, is insanely fucked up for anyone to suggest they should go that route and I will continue to post against it for that reason. The person who is well off like WoW or whoever it was that is finding additional ways to throw around their money (high risk/ high reward) aren't who concern me here just in the same way I'm not concerned with those people gambling their excess income at a casino. They are well off and aren't at risk of damaging their long term well being compared to an average joe.



As mentioned by Jack, I don't think comparing this to stocks or bonds and I agree with the definitions he used



Which brings us back to the dollars comment. Bitcoin SHOULD be trying to act like a currency which is my entire issue with the instrument. It's a currency that no one is using like a currency because of the way it is fundamentally put together. Owners expect the price to go up and that they are going to get rich holding onto it rather than going out and buying things with it. It isn't irrational on their part to think that way either. Why would you spend something you think will get you way more for in a month or even weeks time? You wouldn't. Currency should have the central goal of being a medium of exchange. Another goal is to be a store of value but that's because if you can't maintain a stable value, the first goal isn't accomplished. No one wants to hold a currency (that is being used as a currency) if it's going to be worth 50% or 200% tomorrow. There's no stability there.

That's what my main critique is with Bitcoin. In a world where I would accept it is where it's price stabilizes and it's users actually begin buying and selling with it rather than seeing it as an investment. Until that changes, its on very dangerous footing because as an investment, there should be little value in what you actually hold for a bitcoin. With a dollar, I know I'm not really holding an investment and that I actually need to do something with it in time or it will actually lose it's value. That is not a flaw (although many point to it as one) with depreciation but a very important thing that keeps an economy alive. With Bitcoin, it's completely put on it's head.

At the very best, I think we could compare Bitcoin to currency exchange trading which is all speculative in it's gains/losses and furthers my point.

Bitcoin either needs to stabilize by actually working like a currency (in which case, people will then realize it's not an real investment) or it will continue to just be a faux investment that must rely on more people buying in to increase the price. It completely relies on new users and that's why people with bitcoin only hold on to it and keep telling people to get on board. That's the most logical thing to do if you get one. Hold it, stare at the price, and tell other people to get it so the price goes up.
Part of the problem here is that even where bitcoin was used as a currency proper it is being replaced. Other cryptos are both better designed for that purpose and less volatile.
 
did anyone buy litecoin recently?
 
Part of the problem here is that even where bitcoin was used as a currency proper it is being replaced. Other cryptos are both better designed for that purpose and less volatile.
Lol. other cryptos are not less volatile unless you are just looking at USDT
 
Part of the problem here is that even where bitcoin was used as a currency proper it is being replaced. Other cryptos are both better designed for that purpose and less volatile.

That's another thing I have been trying to say here. I am less so bashing crypto currency as a whole but just think the way Bitcoin is specifically set up won't allow it to work in the long term. It's name recognition is the issue for other currencies because they eventually need to surpass Bitcoin and likely before a possible crash that would make it harder to market their currency even if it was better thought out.
 
I absoloutely love it when this thread pops back up. Having a diversified crypto portfolio was laughed at years ago on this site. Now I could buy Sherdog lol.
 
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Sorry lol not following

Must have miss read what you said last night. All I was tryin saying is there have been a lot of start up gold storage place that are shady as hell. Since a lot people don't take physical possession of their gold these places charge a fee to store gold. What has been happening is a few of these places have sold their customers gold. Bullion Direct (out of Texas) is a good example. They sold all the gold in their possession and were unable to recoup anything, before their customers found out.

There are some crazy CTs about the amount in actual existence vs. the amount of gold being traded. Which for whatever reason I thought that's what you were referring to. Upon rereading what you said, obviously my reading comprehension sucks.
 
Must have miss read what you said last night. All I was tryin saying is there have been a lot of start up gold storage place that are shady as hell. Since a lot people don't take physical possession of their gold these places charge a fee to store gold. What has been happening is a few of these places have sold their customers gold. Bullion Direct (out of Texas) is a good example. They sold all the gold in their possession and were unable to recoup anything, before their customers found out.

There are some crazy CTs about the amount in actual existence vs. the amount of gold being traded. Which for whatever reason I thought that's what you were referring to. Upon rereading what you said, obviously my reading comprehension sucks.

I want the recipe for egg nog u be drinking :)
 
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