Bisping: If you believe Jesus walked on water, you can believe I'm going to KO Rockhold

[HAWTRIDDUM]

Check the facts. Life is either random or designed. Those are the only two options. DNA shows that life is obviously clearly designed, absolutely no doubt about it. Study DNA, how it works, and you will clearly see that it is not random but obviously designed. Same is true for the universe which is fine-tuned to an unimaginable extent.

So basically you decided to use a Michael bisping thread on sherdog to try and flex your Google muscles on how life was created?

No thanks. I'm going to move on with my day instead of giving this anymore attention.

 

[CDF47]

So basically you decided to use a Michael bisping thread on sherdog to try and flex your Google muscles on how life was created?

No thanks. I'm going to move on with my day instead of giving this anymore attention.

That's fine, you can move on about your day. Not trying to flex any muscles. Just stating the irrefutable facts that DNA and the universe are designed. Rather than attempt to insult me, try to argue the scientific facts.

 

[giancaakos54]

No way, Not in this case. There is way too much politics and other nonsense going on regarding this subject to wait for a scientific consensus.

The information bearing properties of DNA and the processes and systems involved in creation of amino acids and living cells is specified, complex, and irreducibly complex to an unimaginable level. DNA clearly proves the design of living systems. The universe, which is fine-tuned to an unimaginable extent, similarly proves the design of the universe.

You absolutely DO NOT get to say when consensus is and isn't the case. That is called belief. You are a believer. There is nothing wrong with that, belief occassionally advances science. Take your belief and go conduct real experiments, gather proof, and get it validated and reviewed. Enough evidence will lead to consensus and then the appropriate use of the word proves. Until then, be comfortable being a believer in a fringe scientific concept.

 

[CDF47]

You absolutely DO NOT get to say when consensus is and isn't the case. That is called belief. You are a believer. There is nothing wrong with that, belief occassionally advances science. Take your belief and go conduct real experiments, gather proof, and get it validated and reviewed. Enough evidence will lead to consensus and then the appropriate use of the word proves. Until then, be comfortable being a believer in a fringe scientific concept.

Guess we will never agree on this point. There has been enough evidence showing that DNA is designed for nearly half a century. DNA was discovered in 1953 and then there were numerous breakthroughs as the evidence turned to proof. Seeing how the code works, the systems, assemblies, constructs, and structures are laid out and built, clearly 100 percent show that it is absolutely not a random process, but is designed. Similar can be said about the fine-tuning of the constants of the universe.

 

[B0ZZ]

Perhaps I need to rethink my atheism

 

[xupacabra]

Check the facts. Life is either random or designed. Those are the only two options. DNA shows that life is obviously clearly designed, absolutely no doubt about it. Study DNA, how it works, and you will clearly see that it is not random but obviously designed. Same is true for the universe which is fine-tuned to an unimaginable extent.

facts my ass.. you need a specialist, btw

 

[CDF47]

facts my ass.. you need a specialist, btw

More insults with no scientific arguments to debate. A lot of people can see through this these days. It is a common tactic to try insults and harassment when you have no arguments to debate.

Below is information on this insult debate tactic:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_hominem

 

[giancaakos54]

You're clearly intelligent, but you're being absurd. Nothing you presented is irrefutable lr proven. They are idea, maybe even theories, but not proven in any capacity and certainly not validated by science.

It's not about agreement, we aren't in an opinion argument. You are wrong scientifically, period. Your continued pursuit of using words like "proves" and "irrefutable" is simply absurdity. I will continue to emhasize I don't care about your points, only about the fact you are posing beliefs as proof.

 

[xupacabra]

More insults with no scientific arguments to debate. A lot of people can see through this these days. It is a common tactic to try insults and harassment when you have no arguments to debate.

Below is information on this insult debate tactic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

that wasn't an insult.. That was a friendly advice.. Well, whatever.

 

[HHJ]

Bisping is better than jesus. Pretty sure jesus never went through the tuf house nor won the mw belt.

 

[Genki Sudo II]

Just over two weeks ago, Michael Bisping said if you believe Jesus walked on water, you can believe he (Bisping) is going to knockout Rockhold.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/5/1...michael-bisping-jesus-christ-luke-rockhold-ko

He did!

He just implicated that KOing Luke was tantamount to a being a miracle! Hilarious. Poor Bisping.

 

[deviake]

Science proves that the universe and living systems were designed and created.

DNA proves the design of living systems. The fine-tuning of the universe proves the design of the universe.

DNA is an extremely highly specified and complex code which provides the instructions for a nano-manufacturing plant to build proteins for living cells. Proteins have a wide range of function in the cell; such as, building components of the cell to harvesting energy.

There are complex molecular machines, like the bacteria flagellum, that are irreducibly complex, meaning if one part is removed or damaged in the system then the system is either degraded or fails to function.

These machines in the cells of living systems are built part by part in a nano-manufacturing plant using the code inside the DNA molecule. There are codes instructing the machine to start assembling parts in specific orders and instructing when to stop the assembly. There are spell checker type enzymes searching and correcting errors in the code, there is copying and transporting of the code. DNA has nested coding. DNA has a files within folders hierarchical structure. A senior software engineer with Microsoft once said DNA follows design strategies similar to those used by their software programmers but one far more advanced than they have been able to devise.

The specific genetic instructions to build a protein in even the simplest one celled organism would fill hundreds of pages of printed text.

Watch the 3 minute and 34 second video below on how DNA works if you are interested (there is an excellent and easy to understand computer generated model showing how DNA works in this short video):


Another longer video is below:


Regarding the fine tuning of the entire universe, there are approximately 20 constants of the universe which are fine-tuned; such that, if these mathematical figures were off by the most smallest fraction of a percent, life as we know it would not exist. The most finely tuned figure is the cosmological constant (energy density of the vacuum of space) which is fine tuned to an order of magnitude of 1:10^120. If that figure was off by that small a value, there would be no life. To give you an idea of the size of that number, there are approximately 10^80 elementary particles in the known universe and there have been 10^16 seconds since the creation of the universe in the Big Bang approximately 13.8 billion years ago. By the way, back to DNA, the probability of building a short functional protein from amino acids is 1 X 10^164. Just amazing!

 

[CDF47]

You're clearly intelligent, but you're being absurd. Nothing you presented is irrefutable lr proven. They are idea, maybe even theories, but not proven in any capacity and certainly not validated by science.

It's not about agreement, we aren't in an opinion argument. You are wrong scientifically, period. Your continued pursuit of using words like "proves" and "irrefutable" is simply absurdity. I will continue to emhasize I don't care about your points, only about the fact you are posing beliefs as proof.

Thanks for that comment and same to you.

I understand those are big words (proof and irrefutable) in the world we live in today, but in this case, I feel they are totally justified based on the overwhelming amount of clear evidence that DNA and the universe are not random but are designed. It is just something we are disagreeing on this argument and I do not hold anything against you for thinking that it should be called evidence rather than proof. However, I feel different and I always try to be extremely careful with that word proof.

 

[deviake]

he's not comparing his ability to Jesus, and That's the fucking point that they are on different ends of a spectrum

If you can believe in the thing on the far miracle side of the spectrum, then why do you have so much trouble believing in the thing on the normal everyday life of the spectrum?

Why is this hard for people to understand?

 

[GrantB13]

Science proves that the universe and living systems were designed and created.

DNA proves the design of living systems. The fine-tuning of the universe proves the design of the universe.

DNA is an extremely highly specified and complex code which provides the instructions for a nano-manufacturing plant to build proteins for living cells. Proteins have a wide range of function in the cell; such as, building components of the cell to harvesting energy.

There are complex molecular machines, like the bacteria flagellum, that are irreducibly complex, meaning if one part is removed or damaged in the system then the system is either degraded or fails to function.

These machines in the cells of living systems are built part by part in a nano-manufacturing plant using the code inside the DNA molecule. There are codes instructing the machine to start assembling parts in specific orders and instructing when to stop the assembly. There are spell checker type enzymes searching and correcting errors in the code, there is copying and transporting of the code. DNA has nested coding. DNA has a files within folders hierarchical structure. A senior software engineer with Microsoft once said DNA follows design strategies similar to those used by their software programmers but one far more advanced than they have been able to devise.

The specific genetic instructions to build a protein in even the simplest one celled organism would fill hundreds of pages of printed text.

Watch the 3 minute and 34 second video below on how DNA works if you are interested (there is an excellent and easy to understand computer generated model showing how DNA works in this short video):


Another longer video is below:


Regarding the fine tuning of the entire universe, there are approximately 20 constants of the universe which are fine-tuned; such that, if these mathematical figures were off by the most smallest fraction of a percent, life as we know it would not exist. The most finely tuned figure is the cosmological constant (energy density of the vacuum of space) which is fine tuned to an order of magnitude of 1:10^120. If that figure was off by that small a value, there would be no life. To give you an idea of the size of that number, there are approximately 10^80 elementary particles in the known universe and there have been 10^16 seconds since the creation of the universe in the Big Bang approximately 13.8 billion years ago. By the way, back to DNA, the probability of building a short functional protein from amino acids is 1 X 10^164. Just amazing!

Do you think God would have designed all the atoms and cells and organs of life? Fuck no. If you wanted something to live and had unlimited power you would just build a shape and say "it works because I say so". You wouldn't worry about DNA, respiration, the circulatory system, vision and light, the muscular and skeleton system. You would just leave it. And that's just life. You also wouldn't design 118 known elements each with different properties and have them all be made up of even smaller things. And at the opposite, make a hundred billion galaxies with billions of stars and millions of billions of planets.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

The point was, aliens as typically portrayed by the media, television, books,..., reside within the boundaries of this universe. The universe they live in is clearly designed as it is fine-tuned to an unimaginable extent. So the Intelligent Source which designed living systems must reside outside the boundaries of this universe. That Source must have intelligence to design and create living systems and the universe due to the astounding specificity and complexity of DNA and the universe which absolutely boggles the human mind. Science reaches a peak at this point and a search into theology becomes necessary to search for answers.

Sure, but that doesn't stop the infinite series. Whatever outside being designed this universe would, by that argument, have to have been designed by a source outside its outside. It goes on to infinity until some arbitrary postulate says "the buck stops here".

That stop could be an uncreated creator, it could be an infinite eternal multiverse (each of which has different laws of physics), it could be a random quantum fluctuation on a universal scale. It could be anything else anyone might care to postulate. All that's being done is adding the definition "uncreated and eternal" to an arbitrary postulate. The logic is pretty basic (if A exists then something had to create A) and infinitely iterative until someone postulates "B started it all", where B can be anything at all. Its why modern theologians tend not to use the "argument from design"; it either goes on ad infinitum, or it leads to arbitrary definitions that allow absolutely everything.

 

[CDF47]

He just implicated that KOing Luke was tantamount to a being a miracle! Hilarious. Poor Bisping.

That first round KO actually was a bit of an MMA miracle..LOL

 

[CDF47]

Do you think God would have designed all the atoms and cells and organs of life? Fuck no. If you wanted something to live and had unlimited power you would just build a shape and say "it works because I say so". You wouldn't worry about DNA, respiration, the circulatory system, vision and light, the muscular and skeleton system. You would just leave it. And that's just life. You also wouldn't design 118 known elements each with different properties and have them all be made up of even smaller things. And at the opposite, make a hundred billion galaxies with billions of stars and millions of billions of planets.

This is bit off tangent related to how this universe and living systems were designed. My point was living systems and the universe are designed. This is the system that was created. We could discuss the intricacies of the design all day because there are so many amazing facets to it, it is absolutely incredible. Just a small example is the design optimization and design trade-offs used for the human eye. These discussions could fill volumes on their own accord.

 

[giancaakos54]

I understand those are big words (proof and irrefutable) in the world we live in today, but in this case, I feel they are totally justified based on the overwhelming amount of clear evidence that DNA and the universe are not random but are designed. It is just something we are disagreeing on this argument and I do not hold anything against you for thinking that it should be called evidence rather than proof. However, I feel different and I try to be extremely careful with that word proof.

They aren't big words in out society - they are scientific absolutes in any society. You used I FEEL here, stick with that. I feel there is enough proof for me, I feel like the evidence suggests, etc. Again, nothing you said is proven or irrefutable in ANY way whatsoever.

 

[CDF47]

Sure, but that doesn't stop the infinite series. Whatever outside being designed this universe would, by that argument, have to have been designed by a source outside its outside. It goes on to infinity until some arbitrary postulate says "the buck stops here".

That stop could be an uncreated creator, it could be an infinite eternal multiverse (each of which has different laws of physics), it could be a random quantum fluctuation on a universal scale. It could be anything else anyone might care to postulate. All that's being done is adding the definition "uncreated and eternal" to an arbitrary postulate. The logic is pretty basic (if A exists then something had to create A) and infinitely iterative until someone postulates "B started it all", where B can be anything at all. Its why modern theologians tend not to use the "argument from design"; it either goes on ad infinitum, or it leads to arbitrary definitions that allow absolutely everything.

Since DNA and the universe are designed, it is natural for us to think about the Designer.

Theology is the only place to turn for answers at this point. I believe there is One primordial Designer who transcends the universe (since the universe is designed as shown by the fine-tuning of the constants) who designed and created it and created us.

That is my belief based on extensive life long research into science, politics, and religion. I believe in the Christian Bible and that is based on the fact that it is scientifically backed unlike any other religion except for Judaism which is also scientifically backed. The Bible also predicts thousands of years of this worlds history in advance and really makes a lot of sense if you truly spend time to read and understand it, cover to cover. The Bible is intended to be read and studied and it is intended for our best logic and reasoning to be applied to it and after all that, for me it became clear, it is the truth.