Social [A**holes In The Sky] Flight Attendants Call For A National Ban List For Violent Air Passengers

[terrapin]

'Homophobic' first-class passenger accused of assaulting Delta flight attendant
By Minyvonne Burke and Kurt Chirbas | April 27, 2022

A passenger was arrested after he was alleged to have hurled homophobic slurs at a Delta Air Lines flight attendant and to have assaulted the man on a flight from Atlanta to Phoenix.

A criminal complaint alleges that Christopher Alexander Morgan began causing disruption on Friday's flight before takeoff. Morgan, who was seated in first class, refused to wear a seat belt and would not comply with crew members' requests to put his seat upright, the complaint says.

A flight attendant had to force Morgan's seat up so the flight could take off, according to the complaint.

During the flight, Morgan was served one alcoholic beverage, the complaint says. When he asked for another, a second flight attendant refused and instead offered him a nonalcoholic drink, it says. Morgan became angry and tossed his ice at the flight attendant while calling the man "queer" and using a homophobic slur, according to the complaint.

A passenger tried to intervene, but it did not calm Morgan down, the complaint says. The flight attendant used a telephone near the cockpit to inform the pilot about Morgan's behavior, it says. According to the complaint, the flight attendant told federal investigators that while he was on the phone, Morgan got out of his seat, grabbed the telephone and hit him in the chest with it.

The passenger also told investigators that he saw Morgan throw the telephone at the flight attendant, the complaint says.

The complaint alleges that Morgan told the FBI that "the flight attendant was homosexual and that this made him uncomfortable. When the flight attendant refused to serve Morgan another drink, he became angry."

"Morgan said that he is homophobic and that it is possible he could have been intimidating the flight attendants," it reads. "He said that his homophobia may have caused his temper towards the flight attendant to escalate."

The complaint alleges that Morgan admitted to using derogatory language during his altercation with the flight attendant but denied assaulting him.

Delta Air Lines said in a statement Wednesday that law enforcement was waiting at the airport when the plane landed in Phoenix.

"Delta has zero tolerance for unruly behavior and discrimination at our airports and aboard our aircraft and takes all reports of such behavior seriously, especially when directed at our employees. Nothing is more important than the safety of our people and our customers," a spokesman said.

Federal agencies have been cracking down on unruly airline passengers. The Federal Aviation Administration said last week that it was permanently implementing its zero-tolerance policy for disruptive passengers, which issues fines instead of warning letters or counseling.

Since Jan. 1, the agency has received 1,272 reports of unruly passengers, the FAA tweeted Wednesday. More than 200 "FAA enforcement cases initiated" have also been initiated.

As of Feb. 16, the FAA referred 80 cases to the FBI for criminal review. It is also working with the Transportation Security Administration to revoke TSA PreCheck, an expedited security screening program, for passengers who are fined by the FAA.

"Behaving dangerously on a plane will cost you; that’s a promise,” acting FAA Administrator Billy Nolen said in a statement. “Unsafe behavior simply does not fly and keeping our Zero Tolerance policy will help us continue making progress to prevent and punish this behavior.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna26222

bye bye..... dont come back... ever.

 

[Via Heeto]

Problem with something like this is that we tend to treat fight crew almost as LEO's, as in their word is gospel. And one thing i have noticed, especially over the last couple of years that many flight crews have the same attitude as so many cops. They seem to be seeking out conflict.

I remember last year i was boarding a plane and i was upset about something that had nothing to do with the flight. i was mumbling under my mask and next thing i know this stewardess is chasing me down the aisle asking me if i had a problem with wearing my mask. it had nothing to do with my mask, but i was smart enough to know where this was potentially going, so i had to put on a happy face and kiss her ass because i could tell she was itching for a fight

anyway, if they are going to have power like this, much like cops, they need to wear bodycams

 

[Arkain2K]

Problem with something like this is that we tend to treat fight crew almost as LEO's, as in their word is gospel. And one thing i have noticed, especially over the last couple of years that many flight crews have the same attitude as so many cops. They seem to be seeking out conflict.

Real question: how many pages of this thread have you actually read before hitting that Reply button?

Scratch that, are you even able to read and comprehend the OP?

 

[idrankyourbeer]

FAA to make zero tolerance unruly passenger policy permanent
By Reuters | April 20, 2022​

WASHINGTON, April 20 (Reuters) - The Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) "zero-tolerance policy" for addressing unruly passengers will become permanent even after a court ended transportation mask requirements, the agency said on Wednesday.

Then-FAA Administrator Steve Dickson first imposed the policy in January 2021 and later said it would remain as long as an order was in place requiring masks onboard airplanes. A federal judge on Monday struck the down the 14-month-old transportation mask policy.

"Behaving dangerously on a plane will cost you; that’s a promise,” said Acting FAA Administrator Billy Nolen. "Keeping our zero-tolerance policy will help us continue making progress to prevent and punish this behavior."

Under the policy, the FAA issues fines to passengers for unruly behavior instead of warning letters or counseling.

Since January 2021, the FAA has proposed fines of about $7 million for disruptive passengers.

Two new fines issued earlier this month were the highest yet, including an $81,950 fine for an American Airlines (AAL.O) passenger on a July flight. It alleged the passenger pushed a "flight attendant aside and tried to open the cabin door."

The FAA added "two flight attendants tried to restrain the passenger, but she repeatedly hit one of the flight attendants on the head. After the passenger was restrained in flex cuffs, she spit at, headbutted, bit and tried to kick the crew and other passengers."

The agency also proposed a $77,272-fine for a Delta (DAL.N) passenger on a July flight, alleging the passenger "attempted to hug and kiss the passenger seated next to her; walked to the front of the aircraft to try to exit during flight; refused to return to her seat; and bit another passenger multiple times."

The FAA imposed its zero-tolerance mandate when unruly passenger incidents escalated around the time of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

The FAA said since January 2021, there have been a record 7,200 unruly passenger incidents reported - and 70% involved the enforcement of masking rules.

The FAA said it has referred 80 unruly airplane passengers to the FBI for potential criminal prosecution.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...unruly-passenger-policy-permanent-2022-04-20/

they should name the bill "The Karen Act"

 

[Arkain2K]

Violent passenger tries to strip on flight to Charlotte. Now he faces prison.
BY HELENA WEGNER | JUNE 30, 2022

A 33-year-old man faces prison time after he became erratic and tried to remove his clothes while on a flight to Charlotte, North Carolina, federal officials said.

Adam Alexander Williams, of Auburn, Washington, pleaded guilty to interference with flight members and attendants, the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Montana said in a June 30 news release.

Williams was on an American Airlines flight from Seattle when he yelled out “Where is Jamie Sanders?” before he jumped over passengers in his row and landed on an in-service beverage cart, the release states.

Once he got off the cart, he pushed a flight attendant into her seat and sent drinks and cups flying, according to the release. Then he ran down the aisle of the plane, prosecutors said.

Flight attendants escorted Williams to his seat where he remained calm for about 10 minutes, according to the release. Then he screamed an obscenity and started to “act up” so several Marines, who were passengers, sat in the seats around him, the release states.

After several more minutes, he got out of his seat again and tried to take his clothes off while screaming. The pilot then turned the plane around and landed in Billings, Montana, so Williams could be removed.

Williams faces a maximum of 20 years in federal prison as well as a $25,000 fine and three years of supervised release. He is scheduled to be sentenced on Oct. 20.

The number of unruly passenger cases on U.S. airlines has increased dramatically since 2020, when the FAA investigated 183 cases. That grew to 1,099 in 2021.

So far this year, through June 28, there have been 1,562 reports of unruly passengers and of those, 520 warranted investigations, the FAA says.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article263076028.html

 

[squeezewax]

I don't know if alcohol was involved, but it should be banned on all flights, full stop.

 

[Arkain2K]

Frontier Airlines flight diverted after unruly passenger discovered with a box cutter
By TJ Swigart and Mirna Alsharif | Nov 10, 2022

A Frontier Airlines flight bound for Tampa changed course Friday night after an unruly passenger was discovered with a box cutter, according to officials.

After the suspect was taken into custody and searched, a second box cutter was found in their carry-on, according to the agency. Blades are prohibited in the cabin but allowed in checked bags.

According to the Transportation Security Administration, employees who screened the male traveler’s items ahead of the flight did not follow protocol, according to the agency.

Frontier flight 1761 took off from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport at around 7:20p.m on Friday and was en route to Tampa when the crew declared an emergency.

The plane was then "diverted to Atlanta after a passenger on board the aircraft was observed in possession of a box cutter," according to a statement from the airline shared with NBC News.

"No injuries to passengers or crew have been reported," said Frontier spokesperson Jennifer F. de la Cruz. A new flight was scheduled for Saturday morning to take passengers from Atlanta to Tampa.

The plane landed in Atlanta at around 8:45p.m., the Federal Aviation Administration said.

Frontier Airlines didn't provide any additional information on the incident, but according to the Transportation Security Administration, there had been a disturbance involving the passenger in possession of the box cutter.

"The cockpit was secure and passengers were deplaned in ATL," the TSA said in a statement. "FBI and Atlanta Police Department responded to the incident, took the suspect into custody and the flight was canceled."

Ahead of the flight, the suspect presented two backpacks and “additional loose items” that were screened using “CT technology which creates a 3-D image that can be rotated 360 degrees for a thorough analysis.” The employee screening the suspect’s items didn’t use the full capabilities of the technology.

“The box cutters were not identified by the CT operator, but his property was identified for a further search,” the TSA said in a statement Sunday. "During the search, one box cutter was discovered."

The visible blades from the box cutter were removed and it was given back to the passenger, which "is contrary to standard operating procedure which requires these items to be placed in checked bags or voluntarily abandoned."

"The backpack containing the other box cutter, and the remainder of the traveler’s property, was screened for explosives, but the box cutter was not discovered," the agency said.

It's not clear at this time what charges the suspect is facing.

The incident is now under investigation by the U.S. Attorney's Office, the FBI and the FAA.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...nruly-passenger-discovered-box-cutt-rcna56924

 

[Arkain2K]

FBI and FAA investigating unruly passenger removed from United flight in Chicago
By Pete Muntean, CNN • Updated 14th November 2022

The FBI and the FAA are investigating an incident involving an "unruly passenger" on board a commercial flight that sent two passengers and one flight attendant to the hospital.

United Airlines says a "disruptive customer" on board flight 476 from San Francisco was "removed by law enforcement" after the flight landed in Chicago early Sunday morning.

"One member of the flight attendant crew was taken to a hospital for evaluation," United said in a statement to CNN. "We're grateful to our crew for handling this difficult situation with professionalism and for putting the safety of our team and our customers first."

"United Airlines Flight 476, a Boeing 777-200, landed safely at Chicago O'Hare International Airport around 6 a.m. Sunday after the crew reported an unruly passenger," the FAA said in a statement.

Chicago Police say a total of three people on the flight were taken to Resurrection Hospital "for observation," adding that no criminal charges have been filed.

"The FBI is currently investigating this incident," Chicago Police said in a statement.
CNN has reached out to the FBI.

Sara Nelson, international president of the Association of Flight Attendants, which represents United Airlines flight attendants, said there is "zero tolerance" for this kind of disruption.

"Aviation's first responders are charged with the safety of everyone on board. When disruptions like this happen, it not only risks the safety of crew involved, it takes away from Flight Attendants' ability to respond to a medical, safety, or security emergency," Nelson said.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/united-airlines-unruly-passenger-chicago/index.html

 

[The_Renaissance]

Every flight over 1 hour should have a cop. or security guard on it, IMO. Flight crew are not paid to deal with violent aggressive people, and the other passengers haven't paid to have their experience ruined by an intimidating nutjob.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Every flight over 1 hour should have a cop. or security guard on it, IMO. Flight crew are not paid to deal with violent aggressive people, and the other passengers haven't paid to have their experience ruined by an intimidating nutjob.

you'd need so many of them. literally thousands, if not more.

 

[oldshadow]

First thing is if you attack someone on a plane you should get charged with a felony. The minimum if convicted should be 2 years in a federal prison and all the great prizes you win with a felony on your record.

 

[PBAC]

if we define what we mean by unruly

I've met a few stewards who think they're air martials

 

[KeepingItReal]

Those unruly passengers deserve the death penalty.

 

[KeepingItReal]

I have a theory that antisocial behavior is an inevitable result of forcing people close together in closed quarters. This is why you see violent incidents more often in cities and public transportation.

If that were the case then monasteries would be more well known for their violence. Also the issue with your theory when it pertains to these cases is that nobody is forcing these people to fly, they voluntarily brought a ticket with the intention of flying to wherever they are flying to.

 

[Sir Burton]

I remember the good ol’ days when only upper middle class and wealthy people could afford to fly.

now we have any run-of-the-mill trash purchasing dirt cheap tickets to fly and it shows.

 

[Arkain2K]

Wells Fargo VP Shankar Mishra fired for urinating on passenger on Air India flight
By Ariel Zilber | January 6, 2023



Wells Fargo has terminated its vice president of operations in India after he allegedly urinated on a 72-year-old woman while they both flew business class aboard a recent Air India flight.

Shankar Mishra, who worked for Wells Fargo at its Mumbai corporate office, was identified as the executive who was terminated, according to the English-language news site of German public broadcaster Deutsche Welle.

Mishra was said to be drunk while aboard a Nov. 26 flight from New York to New Delhi.

During the flight, Mishra urinated on a 72-year-old woman who was seated next to him in business class, according to the report.

An attorney for Mishra told local media that the banking executive reached a financial settlement with the unidentified victim as compensation.

Mishra also reportedly arranged to have the woman’s clothing and bag cleaned up after it was stained with his urine.

But the woman is said to have returned the money and filed a complaint with the airline. According to the complaint, she asked flight attendants and staff to have Mishra arrested and to keep him away from her.

Instead, the crew “brought the offender before me against my wishes, and we were made to sit opposite each other in the crew seats,” according to the India Times.

Mishra is then reported to have sobered up. He apologized to the woman and begged her not to file a complaint.

Mishra’s tearful expression of remorse persuaded the woman not to have him arrested and charged, according to reports.

Police in New Delhi are said to be looking for Mishra, whose whereabouts are unknown, according to the newspaper the Hindu.

The Post has sought comment from Wells Fargo. The bank told Indian media outlets that the employee was fired and that the allegations were “deeply disturbing.”

An Air India spokesperson told The Post: “Air India has taken a very serious view of the incident, where a passenger behaved in an unacceptable and undignified manner on the New York-Delhi flight that caused extreme distress to a fellow passenger.”

“A police complaint has already been lodged and Air India is committed to assist the law enforcement agencies as well as regulatory authorities,” the airline representative said.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/06/wells...urce=nypbusinesstwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

 

[Arkain2K]

Air India urinating incident victim says she was forced to negotiate with perpetrator against her wishes
By Shubhadeep Choudhury



The victim of the Air India urinating incident was allegedly forced by the airline crew to negotiate with the culprit to come to a settlement with him.

According to the victim’s complaint registered with the Air Sewa, the Ministry of Civil Aviation portal that offers various flight related services including grievance redressal, she was forced to confront the accused and negotiate with him despite her unwillingness to meet him.

She was already “distraught" and the coercingfurther “disoriented” her, the victim, who is 70 years of age, wrote in her complaint.

Shortly after lunch was served and the lights were switched off on board AI 102 of November 26 (JFK New York to IGIA, New Delhi), the inebriated male passenger seated in Business Class seat 8A walked to the elderly woman’s seat (9A), unzipped his pants and urinated on her, the complainant stated.

He kept standing there until the person sitting next to the woman told him to go back, at which point he staggered back to his seat.

“I immediately got up to notify the stewardess of what had happened. My clothes, shoes and bag were soaked in urine. The bag contained my passport, travel documents and currency. The flight staff refused to touch them, sprayed my bag and shoes with disinfectant, and took me to the bathroom and gave me a set of airline pyjamas and socks”, the victim stated in the complaint.

"I asked the staff for a change of seat but was told that no other seats were available. However, another business class passenger who had witnessed my plight and was advocating for me pointed out that there were seats available in first class”, the victim stated. She was told by the stewardesses that the pilot had “vetoed" against giving her a seat in the first class.

After standing for 20 minutes, the victim was offered a small seat used by airline staff where she sat for about two hours. She was then asked to return to her own seat which was still damp and reeking of urine. When she refused, the victim was offered the steward's seat for the rest of the journey, the complaint stated.

Later, the flight staff informed the victim that the offender wanted to apologise to her. In response, she said that she did not wish to interact with him or see his face and wanted him to be arrested on arrival.

"...However, the crew brought the offender before me against my wishes and we were made to sit opposite each other in the crew seats. I was stunned when he started crying and profusely apologising to me, begging me not to lodge a complaint against him because he is a family man and did not want his wife and child to be affected by this incident.

"In my already distraught state, I was further disoriented by being made to confront and negotiate with the perpetrator of the horrific incident in close quarters,” the complaint stated.

Air India later turned down the complainant’s demand for reimbursing her for the soiled cloths and shoes.

Air India gave her phone number to the offender for the payment but the victim returned his money. According to the complainant, Air Indiaassured her that they would carry her in a wheelchair and make sure that she had a comfortable exit.

But when the time came, the victim found no help and she had to walk to the immigration and collect the baggage herself.

Accusing the Air India of being “deeply unprofessional”, the victim said the flight crew did not show good judgment about how much alcohol should be served to a passenger. The victim also wrote that she had to advocate her case all by herself and wait for long periods of time for response from the crew.

The victim further wrote that after her son-in-law raised a complaint with Air India on November 27, the airline agreed. But to date they have issued only a partial refund, she wrote.

The victim wrote that she also mailed a complaint to Air India on November 27 and expected the airline to get in touch with her. But the carrier has kept quiet.

A case has been registered by the Delhi police under Sections 294 (obscene act in public place), 354 (assault or criminal force to woman with intent to outrage her modesty), 509 (word, gesture or act intended to insult the modesty of a woman) and 510 (misconduct in public by a drunken person) of the Indian Penal Code as well as under Aircraft Rules.

Air India on Wednesday had said it had imposed a 30-day flying ban on the accused passenger and set up an internal panel to probe whether there were lapses on part of the crew in addressing the situation.

Air India CEO Campbell Wilson, in an internal communication to employees, told airline staff to report any improper behaviour on aircraft to authorities at the earliest even if the matter appeared to have been settled.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/n...te-with-perpetrator-against-her-wishes-467961

 

[genecop]

First or Business Class, the only way to fly..

 

[gondo]

I remember the good ol’ days when only upper middle class and wealthy people could afford to fly.

now we have any run-of-the-mill trash purchasing dirt cheap tickets to fly and it shows.

You must’ve skimmed over the article of the whiny little shit screaming about how his parents are worth 2 million. It’s rich people that are the entitled douchebags. Get it right.

 

[mkess101]

you'd need so many of them. literally thousands, if not more.

They were putting air marshall's on literally every flight post 911 for awhile. But yeah it probably got too expensive.