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Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Kvolcom, May 14, 2018.
How would you rate their food, women, Technology, medicine and entertainment?
Well ... kind of how one would expect for a people being held captive and deprived of basic human right, goods and services for generations by a ruthless enemy who sees them as subhuman.
Not sure if this relates to civilization though. You?
Compared to the rest of the evolving world they have stood still. It's no one else's fault.
Through their actions and decisions their civilization is the way it is.
Just like how the Chinese are the way they are and Italians the way they are.
And I thought it was the Jews who were deprived those things throughout history
Blaming the victim is easy and fun.
Oh yes- I forgot Poor jews. A single tear for you.
Thanks, but I was talking about the immigration phenomenon, not the refugee crisis.
Hence the word "migration" in my post and the absence of "refugees."
Fair point! I was too tetchy apologies.
The land was labeled as Palestine because that's what the British happen to call it taking the name from the Roman's. They referred to both Jews and arabs as Palestinian during the mandate period. Therefore its incredibly dishonest to act as if all that land actually belonged to what we now call Palestinians which excluded the Jews.
I said 6-12% was Jewish owned, the maps give quite an accurate depiction of Jewish land gain.
What a giant shitshow.
For domestic political purposes Trump said the US recognizes Jerusalem is Israel's capital. He gains more support from Evangelicals in the US.
Hamas gains more support from dead Palestinians.
The Israeli right looks at what Hamas is saying and says we cannot negotiate with the Palestinians. They are not interested in any land for peace deal.
The two state solution is still the best chance for a peace. The borders will be based upon the 1967 lines with swaps. Olmert and Abbas were only a few percentages of land off from an agreement on who gets what land.
Settlements can be removed. Israel removed all its settlements from the Sinai. Granted the Sinai doesn't have the significance of religious Jews hold for what what they see as their ancestral homeland of Judea and Samaria. But before Sharon went into his coma he was all for removing settlements deep in Palestinian areas.
The way Israel pulled out of Gaza and then Hamas used it to say they and their tactics were responsible and then how they sent rockets and mortars into Israel has made it difficult to convince Israelis to make more unilateral moves to leave areas.
And now Trump's unilateral move to move the US embassy is a fuck up. Now the US will not be seen as a good broker for peace and sends the wrong message for unilateral moves.
Considering Jews weren't allowed to purchase land under the ottoman empire, who controlled the land before the mandate, this fact means next to nothing.
Let me ask you this... who even are the Palestinians? Do you suggest they are more then just arabs? Do arabs not have Jordan?
Right on. Get rid of the settlements and Hamas, then maybe they can finally figure things out.
How do you remove settlements like the one below that are large, established communities with hospitals, schools, etc? They would never go for it.
As has been asked multiple times to those who say this, PLEASE SHOW ME ON A MAP WHERE YOU WILL BE PLACING A CONTIGUOUS PALESTINE.
The zionists simply leave them behind for the Palestinian people who are returning to their land under long-known international law.
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We’ve tried this before
But as the saying goes if at first you don’t succeed do it the same way again over and ocer
How about the 1947 borders that they turned down and then with the neighboring arab states attacked Israel?
Oh wait, that's probably off the table now.
As I recall, Israel generously gave back much of the land they conquered during the 6 Day War. What ever happened to, “To the victor go the spoils”?
That's not true. For one, native Jews could own and purchase land. To the extent that they couldn't it wasn't because they were Jewish but because Ottoman law only classified some land as private property and thus liable for the free sale and purchase whereas a lot of land was classified as state lands, some of which could be leased but not sold as private property, or were communally owned by villages.
Second, foreigners(Jews included) were allowed to purchase land in 1858 on paper and in practice in 1867 and indeed Zionists did start purchasing land in Palestine in the 2nd half of the 19th century. The Ottomans were weary of this and did try to limit it but that was primarily because many of the Jews emigrating and settling were Russian Jews so the suspicion of the Ottomans had more to do with their nationality than their religion given the antagonism between the Ottomans and the Russians.
The reason Jewish ownership expanded rapidly is because the Zionist movement started to pick up more steam in the wake of antisemitic pogroms in Tsarist Russia in the late 19th century up through WWI. In addition British rule was more favorable to Zionists because of Zionist influence over the British government.