Yet another Conor thread (but this time from me)

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Here's a random musing.

So you now how the consensus among non-haters of Conor seems to be the idea that "he took the loss very well?" In fact that's what most media have been praising him of, about just how gosh darn well he took the loss. He's apparently humble in victory, and humble in defeat.

As a quick reminder, some of the explanations given when asked about the loss, surrounded issues regarding a bigger man being able to take a punch, and how if it were a lower weight class, how it would've been different. Oh, and there might've been a blip in there somewhere regarding energy efficiency.

I want you guys to try a thought experiment. I'll be facilitating this. I'll know if you cheat. I'm gonna ask you to read the question below, and then ask you to immediately examine your unfiltered thoughts.

Ready?

What's the difference between statements given by an "excuse making Conor," versus a "non-excuse giving, humble in defeat Conor?"

How would those statements differ? What type of statements would an excuse-giving Conor make regarding his loss, that is categorically different from this "humble in defeat Conor?"

Nothing. There is no difference, because he wasn't humble. Anyone who didn't cheat would realize this. Because short of a cartoonish, over the top answer of, "well the only reason I lost is because I went up in weight, otherwise I would've won," his answer is the only way you could give an excuse and not look like a complete asshole. You have to be subtle with excuses. Plant enough of a seed so that the easily influenced will water and sprout it themselves; and before you know it, you have an entire garden of excuses that you barely had to touch that will deflect the real reason for the loss.

Bottom line: what he said, is exactly what you would say if you had to give an excuse but not be obvious about it.

If that's not the answer, I'd like to know what is.


Btw, you cheated.
 
Imo the only thing wrong with the OP is that the answer is that "excuse making Conor" would pretty much be doing what Conor did after the Diaz fight while "Humble in Defeat Conor" would pretty much say something along the lines of "I lost to a better fighter...it is what it is"
 
Humble in victory...

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Me thinks humble, meek guys might not make the best fighters, who cares what he said or did'nt say. Everyone has to justify it to themselves or else they would crumble.
 
Excuse, – noun a pretext or subterfuge, an explanation offered to justify or obtain forgiveness.

Reason, – noun a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action, the basis or cause for a belief or action.


Higher weight class = excuse.
Gassed = reason.

A fighter giving the reason for a loss is acceptable. If Conor/his fans say that he lost because he gassed, whether true or not, it doesn't take anything from Diaz's win.
When he says that he lost because of weight advantage, that's another story.
 
The energy and weight difference are terrible excuses.
Energy: Conor had a full camp. Diaz had no camp and was in a boat (NOT training for a marathon).
Weight: Conor is a LW. He was fighting a LW> The fact both didn't cut weight doesn't make either jump a weight class.
If anything, it should have killed the energy excuse, ad Conor wouldn't be depleted by a bad cut.

The only thing Conor said that would not sound like and excuse would be Diaz was the better fighter that night.
Simple as this is, Conor nutgrabbers would keep using the weight & energy because COnor is so humble, this can't be an excuse!!
 
Non hater of Conor.

Premise doesn't compute for me as I don't think he was humble at all.

"I gave him a chance, it didn't work out" came off as an immediate attempt to regain some sort of power over Diaz (ie, if it wasn't for me Diaz would never have been this successful - at least monetarily).

Demonstrably NOT humble in victory or defeat.

Still don't 'hate' the guy (don't even know him). His fan boys suck though :)
 
Non hater of Conor.

Premise doesn't compute for me as I don't think he was humble at all.

"I gave him a chance, it didn't work out" came off as an immediate attempt to regain some sort of power over Diaz (ie, if it wasn't for me Diaz would never have been this successful - at least monetarily).

Demonstrably NOT humble in victory or defeat.

Still don't 'hate' the guy (don't even know him). His fan boys suck though :)
Could you give a source for the "I gave him a chance, it didn't work out" quote?
 
Humble in victory...

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that was aimed at Aldo's team, who were trying to intimidate Conor backstage at the weigh-ins.... they kinda deserved it
 
Here's a random musing.

So you now how the consensus among non-haters of Conor seems to be the idea that "he took the loss very well?" In fact that's what most media have been praising him of, about just how gosh darn well he took the loss. He's apparently humble in victory, and humble in defeat.

As a quick reminder, some of the explanations given when asked about the loss, surrounded issues regarding a bigger man being able to take a punch, and how if it were a lower weight class, how it would've been different. Oh, and there might've been a blip in there somewhere regarding energy efficiency.

I want you guys to try a thought experiment. I'll be facilitating this. I'll know if you cheat. I'm gonna ask you to read the question below, and then ask you to immediately examine your unfiltered thoughts.

Ready?

What's the difference between statements given by an "excuse making Conor," versus a "non-excuse giving, humble in defeat Conor?"

How would those statements differ? What type of statements would an excuse-giving Conor make regarding his loss, that is categorically different from this "humble in defeat Conor?"

Nothing. There is no difference, because he wasn't humble. Anyone who didn't cheat would realize this. Because short of a cartoonish, over the top answer of, "well the only reason I lost is because I went up in weight, otherwise I would've won," his answer is the only way you could give an excuse and not look like a complete asshole. You have to be subtle with excuses. Plant enough of a seed so that the easily influenced will water and sprout it themselves; and before you know it, you have an entire garden of excuses that you barely had to touch that will deflect the real reason for the loss.

Bottom line: what he said, is exactly what you would say if you had to give an excuse but not be obvious about it.

If that's not the answer, I'd like to know what is.


Btw, you cheated.
You're right, and you broke it down pretty well.

He did make excuses, and really wasn't all that humble. You just got choked, how could you not be "humble"!? What did people want him to do, start talking brash and make immediate over the top excuses? This was never going to happen, so I don't understand so many people giving him such huge credit for how well he took it.

He chose to fight, he chose to go up in weight, he even said "get comfortable" and make it 170. He did all that to himself, so this whole "I went up in weight" excuses baffle me, it was totally your choice - so that variable is irrelevant in my book.
 
Bring me a world champion fighter who doesn't excuse a loss. Something tells me if Connor had said 'Diaz was the better man on the night' you people would be moaning that he implied Diaz wouldn't be the better man on a different night.

The level of hate and scrutiny Connor is getting since the loss is just boring. Just as boring as the nuthuggery before, why are most Sherdoggers only comfortable at an extreme.
 
that was aimed at Aldo's team, who were trying to intimidate Conor backstage at the weigh-ins.... they kinda deserved it
No, you're wrong - I was sitting nearby and I'll tell you why he did that.

He jumped on the cage and started "making it rain" with his hands, followed by the middle fingers. Yes, in front of Aldo's corner (which according to you is OK and is still a humble thing to do), but he was making those gestures to all the fighters sitting in that area who were all gathered there.

His "making it rain", followed by middle finger gestures were to say to all the other fighters, "look at all the money I'm making, fuck all you guys". Werdum, Velasquez, Nelson, D. Johnson, Lawler etc. were all sitting in that seating area and he most definitely was doing it into the crowd and not down to the corner of Aldo as they were like a metre away and he didn't look directly at any of them.

Sorry, just needed to say that.
 
dont post in barbie color and expect people to read
 
You're right, and you broke it down pretty well.

He did make excuses, and really wasn't all that humble. You just got choked, how could you not be "humble"!? What did people want him to do, start talking brash and make immediate over the top excuses? This was never going to happen, so I don't understand so many people giving him such huge credit for how well he took it.

He chose to fight, he chose to go up in weight, he even said "get comfortable" and make it 170. He did all that to himself, so this whole "I went up in weight" excuses baffle me, it was totally your choice - so that variable is irrelevant in my book.

Yeah, and that was my point exactly. It's like, there's no other way he would've given excuses. No on in their right mind would ever just straight up say, "Well, I only lost because X."
 
Too long.

Conor benefited from the comparison with Ronda the drama queen.
 
Yeah, and that was my point exactly. It's like, there's no other way he would've given excuses. No on in their right mind would ever just straight up say, "Well, I only lost because X."

What? And I've read it twice?
 
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