Crime Yet Another Canadian Justice System Story

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Here we have the story of Mathew de Grood. Back in 2014, this 22 year old law school hopeful attended a house party located in Calgary, Alberta Canada. Not too long after arrival, he went into a kitchen, grabbed a knife and began stabbing random people. It happened so fast and 5 people eventually died. After someone in the party finally managed to get the weapon away from him, he fled into the night and hid until k9 units found him.

What happened next was crazy.

He was found with garlic in his pocket and claimed that he thought the victims were werewolves and vampires.

You would think...this guy is fcked for sure.

Well....Canaduh will make you think again.

He was found NOT criminally responsible on the basis of mental disorder. Yup.

He was suspected of abusing drugs in the past which could have certainly fcked with his mind and also showed signs of psychotic and suspicious behaviour, even by his own parents before any of this occured.

It also should be noted that his father was employed by the Calgary police force at the time in which the crimes occured.

By 2019 he was granted unsupervised outings and is allowed to spend up to 2 weeks in his parents home at a time. The lawyer is still deligently fighting for him to have permanent unsupervised release. His parents think its injustice that they are denying their son of this and are acting like the victims. They are also angered that they are now receiving threats and fear vigilantes. Well ...imagine being a parents who lost a child to this. Imagine their grief and then knowing they may see their childs killer walking freely amongst them or chilling in the backyard just years later. I could only let you imagine what I would think of doing if I was a parent or sibling of one of the victims.

There is no doubt in my mind that this guy will be fully free in no time. Regardless of how much pressure the victims families dole out to keep him away from the outside world. Regardless of who thinks he would be capable to re-offend again. This is simply another in a long line of cases which baffle the minds of Canadian citizens.

https://globalnews.ca/news/2697356/...w-de-grood-accused-in-brentwood-mass-murders/

https://calgaryherald.com/news/loca...rentwood-killer-matthew-de-grood-more-freedom

 

[HereticBD]

Yeah, I remember this psycho. If there's anyone deserving of freedom, it's definitely a guy who sees vampires everywhere and murders them.

 

[J_C]

fukn 5 ppl dead, thats fukn brutal, ugh. sure i feel for the mofo if he actually is fuct up, but guy is a disaster at life. feel a lot more for the mofos he iced and their families.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Yeah, I remember this psycho. If there's anyone deserving of freedom, it's definitely a guy who sees vampires everywhere and murders them.

I see wacky people out and about more often than i would like. You just dont know. When i take my kid out anywhere, I have to stay close. For as much as i just wanna let him be adventurous and not hover, I just dont trust people. Plus living here, you dont know whos a released multiple offender, rapist or even killer. Ridiculous.

The saddest part is that if i was out with my kid and some deviant tried doing something to him and i beat the person half to death, id probably get locked up for it. If some psycho went loco in a mall, you are told not to try and stop the person, even if you could. If someone breaks into your home where your wife and kids are sleeping, you can face punishment if you use excessive force against the person who broke in, regardless of their motives.

Its like I live in some sort of bizarro land where criminals have just as much rights and privileges as law abiding citizens. That bizarro land is called Canada.

 

[EndlessCritic]

Killing of Tim McLean - Wikipedia

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Vince Li decapitated a guy on a bus and is currently a free man.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Sad story. Canada has one of the better judicial systems in the world. If sentences were determined by how much the victims or their families wanted vengeance. We would have some pretty full prisons. There are going to be cases like this. If he reoffends, it will be a failure of the system, so hopefully they got this one right.

 

[usernamee]

I mean, it doesn't sound off to me that he would be deemed batshit crazy and need a mental health facility rather than a prison.

It does sound crazy that he would be allowed walking around unsupervised just a few years later though..

 

[The Servant]

I mean, it doesn't sound off to me that he would be deemed batshit crazy and need a mental health facility rather than a prison.

It does sound crazy that he would be allowed walking around unsupervised just a few years later though..

Society needs to be able to exile people over Incarnation. Just revoke their citizenship and send them on a boat to Liberia.

We recognize you fcked up and have issues. We just dont want you anymore and youre on your own. Sorry. Exiled.

Liberia, here is a one time of $100, 000 cad for accepting our exile.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Sad story. Canada has one of the better judicial systems in the world. If sentences were determined by how much the victims or their families wanted vengeance. We would have some pretty full prisons. There are going to be cases like this. If he reoffends, it will be a failure of the system, so hopefully they got this one right.

Ummm. At least we know which side of the fence youre on.

At the very least this guy deserves to never be able to walk freely among us again....ever. If he reoffends? He shouldnt have the opportunity to even try. What are we playing russian roulette with citizens lives here? They didnt get it right. Experts still think he is capable of reoffending if off his meds or if he just snaps again one day. Are we willing to take that chance? The fck outta here with that nonsense. We already pay a shit ton in taxes and have to work our asses off to "think" that we can live with a degree of safety within our own communities. Only to find out we have released rapists, deviants or outright murderers living in the neighbourhood. Sometimes they dont even have the courtesy of showing us what they look like do to their "rights and safety".

Thats the problem with some Canadians. They think that anyone can be rehabilitated or healed, despite any opposing diagnosis or belief. To this day, theres people who defend released serial killer karla homolka and feel she has the right to live without being reminded of the past with her new family. Really people? This despite expert analysis claiming she was devoid of emotion surrounding the murders and may have even masterminded much of what went on.

 

[usernamee]

Society needs to be able to exile people over Incarnation. Just revoke their citizenship and send them on a boat to Liberia.

We recognize you fcked up and have issues. We just dont want you anymore and youre on your own. Sorry. Exiled.

Liberia, here is a one time of $100, 000 cad for accepting our exile.

Meh. Everyone is given a deck of cards. Some people have fucked up brains, they didn't do anything special. They just have some shoddy wiring or whatever.
Imagine if one of your kids got that shoddy wiring, you wouldn't want to send him to Liberia, you would have compassion for him.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Meh. Everyone is given a deck of cards. Some people have fucked up brains, they didn't do anything special. They just have some shoddy wiring or whatever.
Imagine if one of your kids got that shoddy wiring, you wouldn't want to send him to Liberia, you would have compassion for him.

The parents were aware he was abusing drugs and began acting strangely ages before any of this went down. They did nothing. If my kid started acting super odd and began abusing random drugs, you better believe id be all over that. Id also look in the mirror hard and try to figure out where i failed if i led him towards that direction. Its not always as simple as..."he had mental issues from birth". Not everyone starts off crazy, some are redirected on a differnt path at some stage in their lives. It came out that he may have been under a lot of pressure with the thought of going into law school. Dads a cop. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors. Some parents suck and ultimately lead their kids to shitty outcomes. Negligence, pressure, abuse. All types of things could have played into it. Not saying thats exactly what happened here but its not always so cut and dry.

 

[usernamee]

The parents were aware he was abusing drugs and began acting strangely ages before any of this went down. They did nothing. If my kid started acting super odd and began abusing random drugs, you better believe id be all over that. Id also look in the mirror hard and try to figure out where i failed if i led him towards that direction. Its not always as simple as..."he had mental issues from birth". Not everyone starts off crazy, some are redirected on a differnt path at some stage in their lives. It came out that he may have been under a lot of pressure with the thought of going into law school. Dads a cop. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors. Some parents suck and ultimately lead their kids to shitty outcomes. Negligence, pressure, abuse. All types of things could have played into it. Not saying thats exactly what happened here but its not always so cut and dry.

Alright, so given that scenario, how could you NOT have compassion for this guy if he's a product of a fucked up upbringing?

 

[KnightTemplar]

Sad story. Canada has one of the better judicial systems in the world. If sentences were determined by how much the victims or their families wanted vengeance. We would have some pretty full prisons. There are going to be cases like this. If he reoffends, it will be a failure of the system, so hopefully they got this one right.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Alright, so given that scenario, how could you NOT have compassion for this guy if he's a product of a fucked up upbringing?

If he was and that was indeed the case, the parents are just as much at fault here. Problem is, many go through bullying, nasty parents and other pressures of life. We dont all just go around stabbing people to death at the snap of a finger. Where does responsibility and accountability begin?

I feel bad for all parties involved here, dont get me wrong. I just think its insane to release this guy into the public for 2 weeks at a time, let alone for life.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Ummm. At least we know which side of the fence youre on.

At the very least this guy deserves to never be able to walk freely among us again....ever. If he reoffends? He shouldnt have the opportunity to even try. What are we playing russian roulette with citizens lives here? They didnt get it right. Experts still think he is capable of reoffending if off his meds or if he just snaps again one day. Are we willing to take that chance? The fck outta here with that nonsense. We already pay a shit ton in taxes and have to work our asses off to "think" that we can live with a degree of safety within our own communities. Only to find out we have released rapists, deviants or outright murderers living in the neighbourhood. Sometimes they dont even have the courtesy of showing us what they look like do to their "rights and safety".

Thats the problem with some Canadians. They think that anyone can be rehabilitated or healed, despite any opposing diagnosis or belief. To this day, theres people who defend released serial killer karla homolka and feel she has the right to live without being reminded of the past with her new family. Really people? This despite expert analysis claiming she was devoid of emotion surrounding the murders and may have even masterminded much of what went on.

There are reasons why we have the laws we do when it comes to mental health and crime. The people who created the laws are far more informed on the topic than a couple dudes on Sherdog. I understand your points for sure.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

There are reasons why we have the laws we do when it comes to mental health and crime. The people who created the laws are far more informed on the topic than a couple dudes on Sherdog. I understand your points for sure.

The laws are dated and law makers/politicians are not exactly the brightest bulbs in the room. The people who create said laws could have been biased or not as informed as you think. Some of the people who ultimately make the decisions who enforce these laws can and are at times doing it for their own political motives or beliefs. Needless to say, we need drastic revisions by people NOT motivated by politics, religion or greed, which will most likely never happen.

 

[The XL]

Priority should be focused on justice for the victim and their family, and ensuring that no one ever is victimized again. The mental state of the killer shouldn't be relevant. These lawmakers are nothing more than accessories to these crimes.

 

[The XL]

There are reasons why we have the laws we do when it comes to mental health and crime. The people who created the laws are far more informed on the topic than a couple dudes on Sherdog. I understand your points for sure.

Clearly they either don't know as much as you think they do, or they have messed up priorities. Why should a murderer be given leniency at the expense of justice for the victim and his or her family, and the safety of the community. The killer may have problems that explain why he did what he did. Who cares?

 

[oldshadow]

So the system in Canada is based on fuck the victim and other potential victims the criminals are the important thing.

Much like our democrat run cities and states.

 

[Kingz]

5 people are dead. Even looking beyond whether he is too evil or too crazy. You murder 5 people, you don’t deserve to be free again. Deserve is a massive component of Justice that certain types want to disregard completely.

Also, you can make the “they don’t believe/know what they did was wrong” argument for anybody. Why do they need to be jabbering on about werewolves and vampires to have diminished responsibility? Hate or fear of a person can trigger the same exact “kill or be killed” response. Almost every murderer has a justification that makes them lose sight of right or wrong while in the act.

And of course, they always stay crazy long enough to beat the charges then they can’t get released from the psychiatric hospital fast enough.