Yes ... police brutality in the USA is rising

[Madmick]

There has been a growing interest in the mainstream recently; the issue is starting to be taken more seriously by serious people, and not the typical "fuck the po-po" crowd who call for the uniformed corpse of every man and woman in service every time a shooting occurs. There was a great interview by Bill Maher on his show with a reporter named Radley Balko (who writes for the Huffington Post). Balko offered the most compelling points in the most cogent framework I'd yet heard from a non-alarmist about alarming trends reflecting a rise in a police state mentality.

Rather than focus on issues which are normally used to pander, I was transfixed above all else by a relatively innocent observation he made. Historically, it has always been the emphasis in police training in dangerous situations to defuse the situation without using force, but now, says Balko, apparently the prime focus in training is how to protect yourself (the officer) from liability after you have already had to use force in such a situation.

That, to me, is the festering canker under the skin of a facelift that nobody wants.


This guy is not a tinfoiler, a bleeding heart, or one of those people who outright hates cops. He is someone worth hearing.
http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americas/dp/1610392116

 

[MardyBum]

This is very likely false.

There are both more people and more police 'now' than there were 'then', as well as more recording systems. It's likely both frequency AND coverage has increased.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out that more access to small cameras and more security cameras means that more people will likely get caught, but don't deal in one-sided absolutes.

Yeah, the amount of video/camera recording systems in the past twenty years, hell the past ten, have probably doubled the world population growth.

2005 most phones had cameras, some had video cameras, none had "quality" video cameras.

Now, every phone has a camera, a video camera, add to that instant upload mediums like facebook, twitter, instagram, etc etc etc where you can share something instantly to a large population.

Comparing today to even 10 years ago is laughable.

 

[nhbbear]

There has been a growing interest in the mainstream recently; the issue is starting to be taken more seriously by serious people, and not the typical "fuck the po-po" crowd who call for the uniformed corpse of every man and woman in service every time a shooting occurs. There was a great interview by Bill Maher on his show with a reporter named Radley Balko (who writes for the Huffington Post). Balko offered the most compelling points in the most cogent framework I'd yet heard from a non-alarmist about alarming trends reflecting a rise in a police state mentality.

Rather than focus on issues which are normally used to pander, I was transfixed above all else by a relatively innocent observation he made. Historically, it has always been the emphasis in police training in dangerous situations to defuse the situation without using force, but now, says Balko, apparently the prime focus in training is how to protect yourself (the officer) from liability after you have already had to use force in such a situation.

That, to me, is the festering canker under the skin of a facelift that nobody wants.


This guy is not a tinfoiler, a bleeding heart, or one of those people who outright hates cops. He is someone worth hearing.
http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americas/dp/1610392116

I have put the book on order at my library. I can't quite bring myself to buy something like that with my money, but I am interested in reading it.

 

[Jukai]

You know what's sad? That I can say today how that vid where the old man got shot by police really pissed me off, and by this time next week if someone else reads this post they're going to think I'm talking about a completely different video.

You mean the thread where an a guy got out of a car during a routine traffic stop for no reason, and grabbed a cane and pointed it right at the fucking officer as the officer screamed "HEY WHAT ARE YOU DOING HEY HEY HEY"

Yah, brutality at its finest.

 

[King Shisa]

From my experiences with the NYPD, when nothing is awry - they're perfectly cool and fine. When they think they got you on a crime/violation, they become real ****y assholes who try to bait you or escalate the situation by being ****y.

In a situation where a crime may have been committed:
If you act naive, innocent or weak, they'll bully you.
If you act defensive, they try and escalate.
If you act tough, they'll put you down.

 

[CC's left foot]

Just as alarming as police brutality is the widespread police and DEA confiscation (theft) of property from people not even convicted of a crime.

 

[Bumble_Bee_Tuna]

There has been a growing interest in the mainstream recently; the issue is starting to be taken more seriously by serious people, and not the typical "fuck the po-po" crowd who call for the uniformed corpse of every man and woman in service every time a shooting occurs. There was a great interview by Bill Maher on his show with a reporter named Radley Balko (who writes for the Huffington Post). Balko offered the most compelling points in the most cogent framework I'd yet heard from a non-alarmist about alarming trends reflecting a rise in a police state mentality.

Rather than focus on issues which are normally used to pander, I was transfixed above all else by a relatively innocent observation he made. Historically, it has always been the emphasis in police training in dangerous situations to defuse the situation without using force, but now, says Balko, apparently the prime focus in training is how to protect yourself (the officer) from liability after you have already had to use force in such a situation.

That, to me, is the festering canker under the skin of a facelift that nobody wants.


This guy is not a tinfoiler, a bleeding heart, or one of those people who outright hates cops. He is someone worth hearing.
http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americas/dp/1610392116

An excellent reference. As the United States ushers in the gradual deployment of the 21st century panopticon surveillance state, remember that the panoptic gaze sees all and knows all. Policemen. Policy men. Police officers are merely muscle that enforce the policy of the state. As the internet diffusion of knowledge and network connection across the world has strengthened individual expression and knowledge, so has it grown the power of the state whose very existence is premised on control, and which has used the information grid to more nefarious purposes, such as monitoring its citizens. Why would a government need to monitor the free citizens of 'Merica? Oh right, I forgot, the terrorists.

 

[Madmick]

An excellent reference. As the United States ushers in the gradual deployment of the 21st century panopticon surveillance state, remember that the panoptic gaze sees all and knows all. Policemen. Policy men. Police officers are merely muscle that enforce the policy of the state. As the internet diffusion of knowledge and network connection across the world has strengthened individual expression and knowledge, so has it grown the power of the state whose very existence is premised on control, and which has used the information grid to more nefarious purposes, such as monitoring its citizens. Why would a government need to monitor the free citizens of 'Merica? Oh right, I forgot, the terrorists.

FYI, the author of this book quite plainly opines that we are not living in a police state.

 

[cleetus]

Lol@ts

 

[oldshadow]

There has been a growing interest in the mainstream recently; the issue is starting to be taken more seriously by serious people, and not the typical "fuck the po-po" crowd who call for the uniformed corpse of every man and woman in service every time a shooting occurs. There was a great interview by Bill Maher on his show with a reporter named Radley Balko (who writes for the Huffington Post). Balko offered the most compelling points in the most cogent framework I'd yet heard from a non-alarmist about alarming trends reflecting a rise in a police state mentality.

Rather than focus on issues which are normally used to pander, I was transfixed above all else by a relatively innocent observation he made. Historically, it has always been the emphasis in police training in dangerous situations to defuse the situation without using force, but now, says Balko, apparently the prime focus in training is how to protect yourself (the officer) from liability after you have already had to use force in such a situation.

That, to me, is the festering canker under the skin of a facelift that nobody wants.


This guy is not a tinfoiler, a bleeding heart, or one of those people who outright hates cops. He is someone worth hearing.
http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americas/dp/1610392116

Now this is an issue I can agree with ^.

The no knock warrants and the use of military tactics in the police departments is a worry and should be.

I would say the average beat cop is held to a much higher standard then they were 30 or 40 years ago.

I’m all for videoing the police as much as possible as it protects everyone. Every car should have a dash cam and every warrant served should be recorded.

 

[threelions]

frequency hasn't increased. coverage of it has. relax before you send your blood pressure through the roof.

You realise that doens't make things any better right? "Oh well people have always been beaten up or shot by police over simple things so why worry?"

There has been a growing interest in the mainstream recently; the issue is starting to be taken more seriously by serious people, and not the typical "fuck the po-po" crowd who call for the uniformed corpse of every man and woman in service every time a shooting occurs. There was a great interview by Bill Maher on his show with a reporter named Radley Balko (who writes for the Huffington Post). Balko offered the most compelling points in the most cogent framework I'd yet heard from a non-alarmist about alarming trends reflecting a rise in a police state mentality.

Rather than focus on issues which are normally used to pander, I was transfixed above all else by a relatively innocent observation he made. Historically, it has always been the emphasis in police training in dangerous situations to defuse the situation without using force, but now, says Balko, apparently the prime focus in training is how to protect yourself (the officer) from liability after you have already had to use force in such a situation.

That, to me, is the festering canker under the skin of a facelift that nobody wants.

As an outsider this is what always surprises me in the Police brutality videos posted here. It's assumed in the UK that part of the job is to put your own safety on the line to protect the public and even the people you are trying to arrest, violence is supposed to be the last resort not the first. But when these threads appear there are always a ton of people advocating shoot first protect yourself and worry about the consequences later.

 

[CC's left foot]

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[djacobox372]

It's not rising, there's just a hell of a lot more cameras out there. The police can't as easily get away with what they've always done.

 

[punkmother]

after the 73 baton strike you would think people would stop reaching for the officers' guns.

 

[Wolveswithkeys]

You realise that doens't make things any better right? "Oh well people have always been beaten up or shot by police over simple things so why worry?"

do you worry about it? I don't and I'm doing just fine.

 

[Ayin]

do you worry about it? I don't and I'm doing just fine.

Now we're just trolling, right? You don't have to answer, I think if you say 'yes' it means you are breaking the rules, I just want tobe clear in case you respond more in this thread.

 

[Lovestorm]

It's probably decreased. Due to the prevalence of CCTV(although easily erased) and camera phones(although easily smashed and the owner & dog killed), officers are probably more reserved about their use of verbal, physical and sexual abuse, legal or otherwise.

I wonder how the police were dealt with many years back. Decades ago, i could see police being lynched for attacking people. Or for accusing young women/teenage girls of being in possession of substances less harmful than alcohol and tobacco, then touching the girl's breasts and putting their hands between their legs, before attacking and killing the girls for trying to defend themselves.

 

[ZroC]

It's not rising, there's just a hell of a lot more cameras out there. The police can't as easily get away with what they've always done.

The number of people in general killed by police has also risen over the last decade. Since 9/11 the police have killed more americans than the war in Iraq. Statistically, in the US you are more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist. But camera phones right?

Also this isn't about getting away with it. When people report corruption they don't have to have video evidence. It might help with prosecuting them but it doesn't explain why the reports in general have increased. Not does it explain why almost 50% of police claim to have witnessed corruption. Or let me guess, the fact that people are reporting the violence shows us all how much freedom we have and how nice the police must be.

 

[Queen B]

The number of people in general killed by police has also risen over the last decade. Since 9/11 the police have killed more americans than the war in Iraq. Statistically, in the US you are more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist. But camera phones right?

Also this isn't about getting away with it. When people report corruption they don't have to have video evidence. It might help with prosecuting them but it doesn't explain why the reports in general have increased.

As mentioned in the other thread, most cops are Dawinists. Most of the people shot and killed have put themselves in that situation, whether they were initially guilty or not

 

[ZroC]

It's probably decreased. Due to the prevalence of CCTV(although easily erased) and camera phones(although easily smashed and the owner & dog killed), officers are probably more reserved about their use of verbal, physical and sexual abuse, legal or otherwise.

I wonder how the police were dealt with many years back. Decades ago, i could see police being lynched for attacking people. Or for accusing young women/teenage girls of being in possession of substances less harmful than alcohol and tobacco, then touching the girl's breasts and putting their hands between their legs, before attacking and killing the girls for trying to defend themselves.

source?