Yan vs O'Malley round by round stats

[FreedomCricket]

Fair by you. It's the first time I've seen anyone say they awarded Yan the 1st by secondary criteria. You and I did not score the first round the same. I'm sure not trying to pile on to a mod, but I agree a 10-10 1st is not on the table. 2nd and 3rd tier criteria can't equalize a round, it can only determine who won it if the primary criteria is deemed even. You apparently did see the effective striking/grappling as even in the first and applied secondary criteria correctly in that case. That's not how I scored it, but I see it as a completely valid way to score the round.

When it comes to the 3rd I'm a bit confused though. If I'm looking through the same lens that saw the 1st as dead even regarding effective str/gr, I see a wide disparity in effectiveness in the 3rd. The sequence with the knee was the biggest fight ending threat from either guy the whole fight. Not only did Sean land way more significant strikes, he also landed easily the most significant strikes. Post history will confirm that Sean, Yan, and Belal are my most disliked fighters of the last couple years. I literally didn't have a dog in the fight.

See, I would disagree that the knee was the most significant fight ending strike in the fight. Yan ate that knee and recovered faster than the 2nd round when he got clipped. Other than having to wipe blood away, Yan seemed unphased and continued pressuring O'Malley.

In the 2nd round Yan got hurt, then O'Malley was tagged even worse and Yan jumped on him with GnP. That to me was much closer to being a fight ending sequence than the 3rd round kneee.

 

[warriorfan808]

The UFC created the stats to feed the narrative during the commentating. They pushed that significant stat statistic down our throats to get the MMA community to accept the decision. The fight was weird from the start. The ref was constantly warning Yan about his extended fingers, but said nothing to Sugar. The judges weren't Abu Dhabi judges like people think.

The only judge to get it right is a full time IT consultant and has been judging fights for KSW and the UFC since the end of 2019.
http://www.mmadecisions.com/judge/690/Vito-Paolillo

The other two judges seem to be more seasoned:
http://www.mmadecisions.com/judge/385/David-Lethaby
http://www.mmadecisions.com/judge/379/Ben-Cartlidge

 

[goOb]

See, I would disagree that the knee was the most significant fight ending strike in the fight. Yan ate that knee and recovered faster than the 2nd round when he got clipped. Other than having to wipe blood away, Yan seemed unphased and continued pressuring O'Malley.

In the 2nd round Yan got hurt, then O'Malley was tagged even worse and Yan jumped on him with GnP. That to me was much closer to being a fight ending sequence than the 3rd round kneee.

This 100%… Yan ate that knee and even got a takedown afterward. Showing that while the knee cut him, it didn’t really stop him from getting the takedowns and landing the combinations he was afterward.

 

[Rockapotomuss]

I thought Peter won but was not shocked it went to Sean. There is more to fight than takedowns, even those are the most apparent thing to see. Both fighters landed giant shots, and it was a good fight, so who cares.

 

[Portland8242]

basically its not enough to just have top position, you must be actively pursuing a potential end, whether you are on top or bottom. If you just gain top control and don't produce any sort of attack or potential danger (top or bottom), you gain no advantage. Just being on top is not enough.

So why the fuck did Ngannou get the decision over Gane then?

 

[Joshuaace]

See, I would disagree that the knee was the most significant fight ending strike in the fight. Yan ate that knee and recovered faster than the 2nd round when he got clipped. Other than having to wipe blood away, Yan seemed unphased and continued pressuring O'Malley.

In the 2nd round Yan got hurt, then O'Malley was tagged even worse and Yan jumped on him with GnP. That to me was much closer to being a fight ending sequence than the 3rd round kneee.

If you think Yan was closer to finishing in the 2nd than Sean was in the 3rd; I think your opinion is completely valid even though it differs from mine. But there is no question that Sean's striking was far more effective in rd3 than Yan's striking plus 2 low amplitude td's. Damage is a pretty good indicator of effectiveness. It's clear who received the most damage that round. To say that Yan was un-phased by the knee is not consistent with the replay I'm watching. Yan retreated from one side of the cage to the other and halfway back before even attempting to re-initiate his offense. Receiving additional hard strikes along the way.

 

[humdizzle]

it was a close fight. round 1 toss up, round 2 yan, round 3 toss up with edge to Sean.

Yan landed one big punch round 2. the rest of the time sean was touching him more. He didn't do much with TDs either.

seems like the judges that night were docking points for failed TDs where no significant strikes or control longer than 15-20 seconds is had. i think this is why the judges had a clear round 2 win for dariush. gamrot just endlessly spammed TDs that didn't amount to anything.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

The look on Sean’s face and actions after round 3 told me even Sean thought he lost. The most damaging strike was the one that cut Yan. The rest of the fight Yan was pressing the action and landing shots himself plus 6 takedowns with an entire round worth of time having top position or ground control. That’s a damn horrid decision if I have ever seen one.

What about the one that dropped Yan? FYI TDs with no damage does not cancel out a significant advantage in striking. Sean outstruck him clearly in the 3rd and while the 1st was close Sean outstruck him and was much more effective then Yan even with 1:10 of positional control. Close fight not remotely a robbery. In fact it is a clear example of judges getting the new scoring criteria correct. Polar opposite of how they screwed DJ vs Cejudo 2.

 

[melans]

The fucked up issue is that the stats for Sean are fucking wrong, he didnt land 40 in the 3rd nor did he land 23 in the first, anyone who doubts this should go rewatch the fight in half speed 80% or more of Seans strikes were blocked or missed.

This fight was fucking fixed by who, well never know but considering even the fight stats were corrupted its pretty fucked up. This was the most blatant BS decision I have ever seen.

Judges don't rewatch fights at half speed before making decisions.

 

[melans]

i recommend watching it back. the first round isn’t really close at all imo o’malley won it pretty clearly. landed like 6 brutal front kicks to the body in the first minute or so. effective striking throughout. yan’s only offense was his low kicks and while some looked nasty, they didn’t have any effect on sean.

the 3rd round is wayyyy closer than i thought it was live though. yan landed some nasty counters, his body language was just bad. the way he was attempting takedowns made him look desperate and panicky, and hey maybe he was. i def still score the 3rd for o’malley but i’m not mad at a yan 29-28. the amount of assholes that have/had it 30-27 yan is alarming.

If it wasn't O'malley, and just some regular American fighter there would be 90% less people complaining about the result.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

UFC wants Sean to win.
UFC acts as commission in Abu Dhabi and manages judging.
UFC provides official stats.

That's very interesting. There is no independant athletic commission in Abu Dhabi? It all makes sense now.

 

[plilp]

I'm so baffled by the comments about this fight. If you look at the unified rules for MMA and the UFC scoring criteria there's only one round that is up to debate (the 1st) and it has to be judged individually. People commenting that O'Malley outstruck Yan in the fight, sure but he cumulated the numbers in the 3rd round and it was still only a 10-9 round for him.

According to UFC's official stats Yan outstruck O'Malley in the 1st round: by 28 to 23. That's 21,7% more.
O'Malley had more significant strikes: 23 to Yan's 19. That's 21,1% more.
Yan had one takedown and clocked control time for 1min 10sec which is 22% of the total duration of the round.
O'Malley didn't score a takedown and clocked 2sec of control time.

Now those stats seem pretty damn even to me. I know the emphasis in scoring according to the unified rules is on "effective striking/grappling" so it's up for interpretation by the judges. Only after effective striking/grappling come criteria like aggressiveness and control of the fighting area but only if the scoring is even after considering the effective striking/grappling. Both of the further criteria would've definitely swung the 1st round in favor of Yan if it was taken into account so we know that two of the judges gave the 1st round to O'Malley based on the primary criteria of effective striking/grappling.

My beef with giving O'Malley the 1st round is this:
All of his landed strikes in the 1st round are counted as "significant", 23 out of 23. Now I've just gone back and watched the first round of the fight again and for example during the first minute or so he pretty much only kicked and seemed to land 3 of those, maybe 4 but I'm not sure. All three that I saw land were nothing more than pokes. The very first strike he threw in the entire fight is a VERY light grazing sweep on Yans thigh with his toes. Now it clearly landed, so it must be counted as a landed strike. And since all of his landed strikes were deemed as "significant"...

To be fair I think both of them had very few actually significant strikes in the 1st round and it really is an extremely even round but Yan still edged it in my book with the hard leg and body kicks, takedown, ground strikes and the few head strikes he was able to deliver. O'Malley had around 4 decent head strikes, the rest were blocked, brushed and rolled. All of those toe pokes on the legs counted as significant strikes? Please...

 

[mangokush]

The old Jon Fitch days of laying and praying your opponent to a victory is over. You have to do damage, which Yan didn't do on the ground.

His takedowns were never offensive, but more reactionary or an escape from taking more damage on the feet.

He only ever shot for takedowns whenever Sean was tagging him. Judges obviously saw that and that's why Yan lost.

 

[Beef]

"Significant strikes", for these purposes, are all strikes at distance, and power strikes in the clinch/on the ground.

The other, "non-significant" strikes, are those little shots in the clinch/on the ground. Like when someone's holding someone down on the ground and throws like 8 little punches in a row to the body. Those are not considered significant strikes.

The reason almost all of O'Malley's strikes were considered "significant strikes", is cause pretty much everything he threw/landed was when they were distance striking. Whereas Yan landed a bunch of clinch strikes and strikes on the ground which would be considered "non-significant" strikes.

You can agree or disagree with the way its categorized, but that is the reason for the discrepancy here. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter a ton anyways as the judges do not have access to these stats and they have no impact on the outcome of the fight.

I literally came here to post this. Blows my mind that people here don't know what a significant strike is

 

[Beef]

Significant strikes are strikes thrown at range or "striking distance", they do not count short clinch strikes or rabbit punches in/from guard as significant strikes

I can't believe people here don't know that

 

[Substance Abuse]

Anyone who uses the term 'panic wrestling' loses credibility just about all credibility. This is mixed martial arts. Grappling and wrestling are a part of this sport. It's even more idiotic if you claim a fighter is 'panic wrestling' when he isn't even hurt. Plain fucking stupid.

 

[AfroBanana]

Rd 1 - Yan: 19 of 31 (1 TD), Sean: 23 of 55
Rd 2 - Yan: 24 of 39 (3 TD), Sean: 21 of 37
Rd 3 - Yan: 15 of 26 (2 TD), Sean: 40 of 71

http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/5c3c4bcc6c746ca0

Like I said, anyone scoring Rd 3 for Yan is a fool. 40 sig strikes to 15 and landed the more damaging strikes and gave up 2 panic wrestling TDs. It comes down to the 1st round where Sean did a bit better in the stand up, but got taken down once.

I scored it for Yan, but it was a close first round and therefore a close fight.

significant head strikes

Yan 23

O’Malley 64


Not a fan of the term panic wrestling but I think it definitely fits in here. Yan was supposed to dominate and win on the feet, he abandoned so many times when he was losing exchanges, 13 times to be exact he went for a TD, many times because he was losing. If Izzy goes for 13 for TD’s on Alex ……..

 

[abject]

Sherdoggers dont like flashy people like Honda, Canrod and Shaun. I get it. I despised Rhonda. But O'Malley won rounds 1 and 3. Yan took it to the ground as he was losing on the feet. He did little damage on the ground. Significant strikes and damage easily favoured O'Malley. The butt hurt is real.

 

[Franklin U.]

Sean is humble and honest. He knew he lost the 2nd round and he wasn't sure about the 1st. Rampage said the same thing after fighting Machida since he was considering the fight as a whole, but with the round by round scoring it isn't a robbery.

Remember the look on Quintons face when he got hand raised ..... talk about being honest. Dana was actually steamed at page for reaction. Alot of fans not aware of this.