y can't or dont we discuss women boxing

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  1. devante Silver Belt

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    i made a thread about laila ali, christy martin and it closed because it degenrated into a sexist and ridiculous thread; if we are fans of the aport why can't we discuss all avenues of it, even the female aspect.

    holly holm/mary jo sanders-two of the best are gonna fight, an no analysis comment or discussion

    laila ali, anne wolfe- why don't we break them down or rank their skills, opponents; its the one area the mma forums have us, because they at least attempt to inteliigenty discuss femal fighters
     
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    While I don't think that we should limit the conversation about women's boxing, I am not interested in it at all... just being honest. Generally womens boxing doesn't have the excitement that mens boxing has. When we do have a big event, it is ussually a complete mismatch like Ali vs. Martin where Martin was fighting a much bigger opponent.
    I just can't get into it..
     
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    app ur honesty-thx 4 ur response
     
  4. thatsmydin Blue Belt

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    Layla never fighting Ann Wolf is all I have to say about womens boxing. In other words, thats the only womens fight I've ever wanted to see.
     
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    Ann Wolfe is a man, I tell you. MAN!!!
     
  6. Mr.pain Brown Belt

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    I also do not care for woman beating each other up, but that might be the only way to get boxing on SI.

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  7. jf0808 Green Belt

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    Ahhh Ann Wolfe.

    She has a gym here in Austin.

    It's VERY strict if you're a teen, like myself, though.
     
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    I tell you, I'd take Ann Wolfe in a fight against most men. As for the lack of discussion of women's boxing, on my part, it's a lack of knowledge more than anything. I'd talk about it more if I knew when big fights were coming up and things like that. Any news sites you can point us to out there if we're interested?
     
  9. I don't really follow women's sports but I wouldn't mind learning about women's boxing. I'm a fan as well as a student of the sport and the more boxing there is, the better it is for me.
     
  10. Todd Gack Dutch

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    Women's boxing has improved, the skill levels of these fighters has gotten alot better compared to the old Christy Martin days. But like others have said, I'm just not interested in it at all. Could be because the talent pool is so shallow. A lot of times I'll see a fight between two women who've already fought multiple times before.
     
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    I'm a big fan of Martha Salazar.
     
  12. Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Personally, from seeing how hard the 3 main female Fighters who train at Top Rank work, they deserve respect as Athletes IMO. Especially considering they mostly have to spar males, as there's not many Females around who are their equal sizes.

    I don't mind who does and doesn't like Female Boxing, what I mind is everyone who claims to have zero interest in it having to chime-in and billboard not only that, but everything that's wrong with the Sport or everything that's wrong with the idea of Females fighting in their opinion, which sparks the whole sexist tirades.

    I've seen people say all kinds of crazy shit about it here, things that would normally get a person banned if they were speaking of a male Fighter, and as far as I'm concerned they should. We can discuss it, but even if a person harbors ill feeling towards it for whatever reason, all I ask is you just simply do not partake in the discussion rather than attempting to sabotage or taint it.
     
  13. ValeTudoShogun Blue Belt

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    I can't say, women's sports get very poor exposure in general.

    I'm not against it, in fact wouldn't mind seeing more of it.
    But it's never on, and rarely advertised.

    Unless you go searching for it, its really hard to find anything.

    That would be my reason..
     
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    Anne Wolfe is training some good fighters lately. I believe it was said she does some VERY unorthodox training for her fighters. Like blowing bubbles and having them punch them.

    Anne is IMHO the greatest fighter woman's boxing has ever produced.
     
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    Does anybody have any good sites for women's boxing news?
     
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    i personally like women's boxing but the issues is

    1. there are not enough fighters out there, thats also an issue in women's mma and kickboxing

    2. the skill level has improved but not drastically, a medicore amatuer male can probably take most professional females out

    3. i think there's also a different type of mindset involved in boxing vs. mma, boxing is based on traditon and its easy to point to fighters and talk about the "good ol days" of marciano, zale, armstrong, dempsey etc. but you don't have that type of history with women's boxing but corrollary to that most people in boxing are stuck in a past machismo type mindset

    i.e. we believe in fighting to the death and titanic struggles of fistic glory, those that quit in the ring we abash them as cowards, duran in no mas, mccall in the the 2nd lewis fight, frietas against corrales and diazand recently isreal vasquez when he quit on his stool in the first encounter against marquez but in mma if you quit thats fine, sure there machismo is akin to boxing but traditionally there's no honor in surrender not in war not in boxing but its fine in mma

    its a new age of thinking vs. tradition that helps the mma fight whores gear on, and sometimes that hurts like in boxing, william dettloff a huge editor and contributer decries having women involved in boxing, he hates the idea of women promoters, commentators or even fighters because hes stuck in this old mindset as well and so many of boxing enthusiast

    i pick a great boxing match over a mma match any day but sometimes we have to have a balance of old world class and new world style

    we got to accept women in boxing in all levels and begin to understand our own ideologies, those that decry women involved in boxing with there sexist attitudes are extremely reminiscent of those that wanted to keep blacks out of boxing, that segregated the colors from the whites, i'm reminded by a quote of Jack Dempsey "I'll never let a negro fight me... they don't deserve the chance..."

    so in retrospect all those that hate on womens' boxing you're no different, you're no better, i'm pretty sure you have daughters, wives, mothers and yet you would hold women down to this societal rapage? so basically what you're saying if a woman has dreams you'd deny them just as swift based on their sex? so it wouldn't begrudge your to have your daughter's dreams abashed just because of her sex?

    its an out of date old school shitty mentality, i mean i respect those of you with the balls to lay out what you got to say, if you're sexist than so be it, racist then so be it, Malcolm X once said "i'd rather know where a man stands and tells me he hates me than to says he loves me and betray me behind my back"

    at least you some of the guys got the balls to tell the world that you shun women then to rape them in their sleep, figuratively
     
  18. Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    The one thing, though, that deters women's Boxing from the perspective of the women themselves, is that they also cater to the sexist mindset in trying to sell their product to the male traditional audiences. IMO that's a bit of a flaw that can be corrected by a little bit of reverse sexism just to create a solid audience for their Sport.

    I don't care for Master Toddy here in Vegas, but one thing he did that was pretty smart was get that Fight Girls show on the Oxygen Network. That's what Female Boxing should do, get Female money behind it. Hell Lifetime wouldn't let Xena get canceled completely, they could at least sustain women's Boxing long enough for it to become a viable financial opportunity for female athletes.
     
  19. prosa123 Blue Belt

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    Another factor is that many people dislike seeing women involving themselves in potentially dangerous activities. Putting one's safety at risk is men's stuff. In part this is due to traditional and maybe obsolete attitudes toward gender roles, but there's also a deeply embedded evolutionary/biological reason, whether we are aware of it or not.

    From a survival-of-the-species standpoint women are much more valuable than men. Eggs are scarce, and the limiting factor in reproduction, while sperm is super-abundant. If 95% of the men in a particular society disappeared, the total population would be back to normal within a couple generations so long as polygamy were allowed. If 95% of the women disappeared, the society's population might not recover for hundreds of years, if ever.

    This is why virtually no society in history has allowed women to take the primary role in warfare, and from deep in our subconscious it's why we don't like seeing women taking unnecessary risks - which includes stepping into the ring.
     
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    I don't care that they beat each other up...they just aren't good at it. same reason i don't watch wnba
     
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