WTF is up with the HW division? Who's gonna fight?

The HW division has always been very shallow. HW boxing has sucked for the better part of two decades now.

What's up with that?

NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL. When you can go into one of the major team sports and be an average pro and still make millions, you'd be crazy to roll the dice on fighting.


This kinda logic just doesn't make any senses

An athlete whos been boxing, wrestling or practice taekwondo all his lives isn't going to say "hmmm ik i have been doing martial art for all my lives, but i'll go to different sports to make morr money"
 
This kinda logic just doesn't make any senses

An athlete whos been boxing, wrestling or practice taekwondo all his lives isn't going to say "hmmm ik i have been doing martial art for all my lives, but i'll go to different sports to make morr money"

Percentage of people who have been boxing, wrestling or practicing TKD all of their lives vs. percentage of people who have been playing basketball, football, or baseball all of their lives...

Virtually all American kids grow up playing those latter sports. Comparatively very few are participating in the former.

I swear, a lot MMA fans are fucking delusional about the reality of this shit.
 
Somebody give Stefan Struve a title shot already! Boy already beat Stipe.
 
Percentage of people who have been boxing, wrestling or practicing TKD all of their lives vs. percentage of people who have been playing basketball, football, or baseball all of their lives...

Virtually all American kids grow up playing those latter sports. Comparatively very few are participating in the former.

I swear, a lot MMA fans are fucking delusional about the reality of this shit.

i agree, you just prove my point.

i just don't think that an athlete who has been doing martial art all his lives, suddenly choose different sports because other sports pay more money.

if Kevin Durant did boxing all his lives, he probably ended up being world champion in boxing, if Luka Modric is doing BJJ all his lives he probably ended up in MMA.

but i don't think someone who is doing martial art all his lives just decided to do other sports, or that every athlete who is good in one sports can all successfully crossover to different sports.
 
"Stop nuthugging MMA and be realistic."

I don't think admitting that many of these athletes would have a better shot at a payday in MMA, than their chosen sports is nut-hugging MMA. Fighting is different than other sports. It attracts a different psychology.

"Sure, not all great athletes will translate into MMA, but a lot of them probably could."

Well, they should already be there. There's plenty of great athletes who have washed out of major sports long before they were past their prime. The problem is, they haven't spent most of their life training in MMA, so that window becomes a lot smaller, and the risks become much greater. Not everyone likes getting punched. Even tough guys who are considered street-fighting nightmares don't have it in them to consistently get beat up in order to progress.

"No, it's not easier to get into MMA. How many truly high quality MMA training centers exist? How many MMA fighters are getting "huge paydays"? The 100th highest paid MMA fighter is probably barely scraping by. The 100th highest paid NBA or NFL player is balling ass rich."

You're talking about 100 guys out of thousands of prospects. That number is small. Most will never come close to even a big pay day much less millions of dollars over their career.

If you think most grade-school, and H.S. athletes are choosing to play football for the prospect of some NFL career, then you're naive. Most know it's a pipe-dream. They play football because they like it, and they're good at it. In many instances, it gives them a chance at furthering their education. You can train in a primary grappling arts like Judo, Wrestling, or BJJ in most places, and any number of striking arts. You don't need an MMA gym to start preparing for MMA.

"MMA isn't drawing these athletes because the vast majority of kids don't grow up dreaming of being a UFC star. They grow up dreaming of being an NFL or NBA or MLB star. Their dads are pushing them to play those sports. Very few parents want to see their kids go into fighting. That shit would be nerve wracking to watch."

Very few kids want to go into fighting. Most people don't want to fight for very sensible reasons. Hell, good fighters don't even want to fight. Boxing has been plagued with a dearth of HW talent for decades, with a few bright spots in between, but it's still not attracting all of these so-called great athletes to its sport. You have to be a boxer by nature, not by trade.

"Historically speaking, the vast majority of the top tier HWs have been in that 225-245 range."

What is the source of this stat? HW's have been getting bigger since the 80's, and only really started becoming the trend in the 90's. They have gotten bigger ever since. They are consistently taller than at any other time in boxing history, and with much greater muscle mass.

It's considered a new normal at HW in boxing.
 
Also, I don't think anyone's arguing that you won't see better athletes in the future as a the rewards grow, but it's important to remember that boxing doesn't pay a lot outside of a fairly small group of talent either, and it hasn't seen this absorption of athletes who are going to naturally make less in the NFL. You usually have to be brought up in boxing to be interested in boxing.

Expecting a deluge of athletes to choose MMA, or any combat sport for the primary reason of making as much money as they would in football is always going to be small. There's no indication that MMA will ever pay as much on average as someone would make as a career starter in the NFL, or any other ball sport.

Fighters are strippers. You work the pole all alone for your money. In ball sports, you're team member who is guaranteed a minimum.

Unless you love to fight, and test yourself, combat sports will always have a smaller pool of willing talent.

Most people don't understand the mental toll fighting can have on someone. It's a career full of self-doubt, hidden fear, and ego implosions.

There are many athletes who have never had personal defeats in a team sport. They can always place blame on others, while knowing they did their job better than anyone else can. You can't avoid that in combat sports. Even in something like BJJ, the constant demoralization is too brutal for even the most determined athlete to enjoy.
 
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