Wresting: The Cancer Killing MMA

[David Baker]

If I have to sit through another fight card where the wrestler can’t manage taking any punches or kicks to the body, and just shoots and spends the next 15 minutes laying on his opponent with absolutely no attempt to end the fight and it wins them a decision, I’m gonna loose my shit.. Wrestlers need to stick to their own matches and stay out of the MMA world in my opinion; now don’t get me wrong if a wrestler uses it to gain position, or inflict damage and so forth then great, I’m all for it, but to just use if for controlling the match is unacceptable. The word “Mix Martial Arts” means just that, not one-trick-pony moves. Wrestling and control moves is a recipe for a snooze fest; take the latest UFC 306 for example you have arguably one of the greatest UFC events ever done with fighters like Ronaldo Rodriguez, Ode Osbourne, Esteban Ribovics, Daniel Zellhuber, Diego Lopez, and Brian Ortega pouring every bit of heart and soul into the fight, which blew the fans away, only to have the last two main event cards Alexa Grasso/Valentina Shevchenko, and Sean O’Malley/Merab Dvalishvili suck the life out of us from Shevchenko and Dvalishvili wrestling BS. It’s unfortunate to see something that should be used as an effective method of control and setting up finishes get used to simple grind out a decision. For the last couple of years I have also been watching One Championship Friday Night Fights from Thailand, and these guys have the right idea where they showcase specific martial arts like Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Grappling, and MMA. It’s an absolute thing of beauty watching the best Warriors in the world compete for a title shot or contract. These guys are also heavily incentivized by getting an extra $10K for a knockout or submission, which makes for a banger of a fight.

Anyway enough ranting the bottom line is I’m sick of wrestlers on the post fight interviews squeak about how that they wanted to get the knockout finish but came up short for some reason or another. The sad thing is most of these guys nowadays, train to control the fight and get a safe decision and thats it! In other words if the system is broken because it’s encouraging dull and uninteresting fighters, we need to change the system. Thanks for reading this and curious what your thoughts are. Mr Baker

 

[Elegant]

I think fighters need to be rewarded for defending takedowns, this would make wrestlers more hesitant to shoot unless they were 100% confident in getting the takedown, just as strikers are more hesitant with their striking due to the TD threat, it should be the other way around as well

A clear takedown stuff or clean defensive scramble needs to hold some significant weight on the scorecards

 

[shunyata]

OP you should change your password!

Your account may have been compromised.

Some asshole is posting stupid threads with your name.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

All illegal strikes should be legal against wrestlers

 

[Corrado Soprano]

Imagine spending years training to grab another man’s legs or transitioning to their back while grinding them. It’s soft.

 

[JakePaulMMA]

When Jake Paul makes his debut, it'll much like the Bible's description of Jesus returning.

 

[MEAN357]

UFC is dying confirmed

 

[MEAN357]

Imagine spending years training to grab another man’s legs or transitioning to their back while grinding them. It’s soft.

Idk I spent years doing that all throughout college and I was anything but soft

 

[RichardHarrow]

Simple solution - watch this then associated videos

 

[PaddyO'malley]

Yo star imagine if dem did have a sport weh only strikin' an mandem jus stand up dere flingin' hands till one drop or di judges haffi score it

Max an' Gaethje throwin' down fi few hits almost murkin' Gaethje



But unnu deh ya a hate on #PowerSlap when a di same ting unnu been askin' for yet man can't let go of di Dana beef for 35minutes and 4 seconds mi gotchu still unnu should work pon dat fam lmk when u finish mi bredda



Even got soccer kicks mi seh 6ixdog sum S-tier h8rs it's exactly wut u askin' 4

 

[darcandkharg]

I like Darren Elkins, wether he's clinching, going for takedowns or on the ground the dude is always throwing strikes, if not the absorbing them. More wrestlers should be like Elkins

 

[Substance Abuse]

 

[StonedLemur]

If I have to sit through another fight card where the wrestler can’t manage taking any punches or kicks to the body, and just shoots and spends the next 15 minutes laying on his opponent with absolutely no attempt to end the fight and it wins them a decision, I’m gonna loose my shit.. Wrestlers need to stick to their own matches and stay out of the MMA world in my opinion; now don’t get me wrong if a wrestler uses it to gain position, or inflict damage and so forth then great, I’m all for it, but to just use if for controlling the match is unacceptable. The word “Mix Martial Arts” means just that, not one-trick-pony moves. Wrestling and control moves is a recipe for a snooze fest; take the latest UFC 306 for example you have arguably one of the greatest UFC events ever done with fighters like Ronaldo Rodriguez, Ode Osbourne, Esteban Ribovics, Daniel Zellhuber, Diego Lopez, and Brian Ortega pouring every bit of heart and soul into the fight, which blew the fans away, only to have the last two main event cards Alexa Grasso/Valentina Shevchenko, and Sean O’Malley/Merab Dvalishvili suck the life out of us from Shevchenko and Dvalishvili wrestling BS. It’s unfortunate to see something that should be used as an effective method of control and setting up finishes get used to simple grind out a decision. For the last couple of years I have also been watching One Championship Friday Night Fights from Thailand, and these guys have the right idea where they showcase specific martial arts like Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Grappling, and MMA. It’s an absolute thing of beauty watching the best Warriors in the world compete for a title shot or contract. These guys are also heavily incentivized by getting an extra $10K for a knockout or submission, which makes for a banger of a fight.

Anyway enough ranting the bottom line is I’m sick of wrestlers on the post fight interviews squeak about how that they wanted to get the knockout finish but came up short for some reason or another. The sad thing is most of these guys nowadays, train to control the fight and get a safe decision and thats it! In other words if the system is broken because it’s encouraging dull and uninteresting fighters, we need to change the system. Thanks for reading this and curious what your thoughts are. Mr Baker

Paragraphs.... they're a thing ya know.
Who the fuck wants to read this wall of text sir?

At least learn how to write if you're gonna cry this much.
I had to wipe my screen from your tears seeping through.

 

[PaddyO'malley]

Paragraphs.... they're a thing ya know.
Who the fuck wants to read this wall of text sir?

At least learn how to write if you're gonna cry this much.
I had to wipe my screen from your tears seeping through.

Gotchu fam



If I have to sit through another fight card where a wrestler can’t handle body strikes, just shoots for takedowns, and spends 15 minutes lying on their opponent without trying to finish the fight—and still wins by decision—I’m going to lose it. Wrestlers should stick to their own matches and stay out of MMA, in my opinion.

Now, don’t get me wrong, if a wrestler uses it to gain position or deal damage, great—I’m all for it. But just using wrestling to control the match? That's unacceptable. "Mixed Martial Arts" means exactly that, not relying on one move. Wrestling and control moves lead to boring fights.

Look at UFC 306 for example. It was one of the greatest events ever, with fighters like Ronaldo Rodriguez, Ode Osbourne, Esteban Ribovics, Daniel Zellhuber, Diego Lopez, and Brian Ortega giving everything they had, wowing the fans. Then, the main events—Alexa Grasso vs. Valentina Shevchenko and Sean O’Malley vs. Merab Dvalishvili—drained all the energy with Shevchenko and Dvalishvili's wrestling tactics. Wrestling, when used just to grind out a decision, misses the point of MMA.

I’ve been watching One Championship Friday Night Fights from Thailand, where they get it right. They showcase Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Grappling, and MMA, and it's incredible to watch the best warriors compete for title shots or contracts. Plus, they’re heavily incentivized—$10K bonuses for knockouts or submissions, which makes for thrilling fights.

To sum it up, I’m tired of hearing wrestlers in post-fight interviews say they aimed for a knockout but couldn't get it. The truth is, many of them train just to control the fight and get a safe decision. If the system encourages dull, uninteresting fighters, then the system needs to change.

Thanks for reading this. Curious to hear your thoughts.
– Mr. Baker

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

if only they made several different sports that accommodated to people who just wanted to see striking. the UFC and MMA would surely go out of business!

 

[World eater]

“If I have to sit through…”
No you don’t.

 

[whocares]

I think Ive got a solution. Wrestling banned from mens mma. Womens mma wrestling still allowed with tits out. 50 G's Dana!

 

[Bret 'The Hitman' Hart]

Many people complaining about wrestlers complain about the lack of damage in reality. Allowing knees to grounded opponents would make things way more interesting imo.

Personally I don't have any problem with a good grappling/wrestling clinic though.

 

[Gamer2k4]

I think fighters need to be rewarded for defending takedowns, this would make wrestlers more hesitant to shoot unless they were 100% confident in getting the takedown, just as strikers are more hesitant with their striking due to the TD threat, it should be the other way around as well

A clear takedown stuff or clean defensive scramble needs to hold some significant weight on the scorecards

Do you think fighters should also score for blocking strikes? One fighter throws a head kick but the other gets his arm up in time and the kick hits there instead - should that score for the fighter who got kicked?

There's nothing in the scoring criteria assigning any value whatsoever for preventing your opponent from executing his gameplan; it's all based on how well you execute your own. Why should there be an exception for wrestling?

 

[wwkirk]

If I have to sit through another fight card where the wrestler can’t manage taking any punches or kicks to the body, and just shoots and spends the next 15 minutes laying on his opponent with absolutely no attempt to end the fight and it wins them a decision, I’m gonna loose my shit.. Wrestlers need to stick to their own matches and stay out of the MMA world in my opinion; now don’t get me wrong if a wrestler uses it to gain position, or inflict damage and so forth then great, I’m all for it, but to just use if for controlling the match is unacceptable. The word “Mix Martial Arts” means just that, not one-trick-pony moves. Wrestling and control moves is a recipe for a snooze fest; take the latest UFC 306 for example you have arguably one of the greatest UFC events ever done with fighters like Ronaldo Rodriguez, Ode Osbourne, Esteban Ribovics, Daniel Zellhuber, Diego Lopez, and Brian Ortega pouring every bit of heart and soul into the fight, which blew the fans away, only to have the last two main event cards Alexa Grasso/Valentina Shevchenko, and Sean O’Malley/Merab Dvalishvili suck the life out of us from Shevchenko and Dvalishvili wrestling BS. It’s unfortunate to see something that should be used as an effective method of control and setting up finishes get used to simple grind out a decision. For the last couple of years I have also been watching One Championship Friday Night Fights from Thailand, and these guys have the right idea where they showcase specific martial arts like Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Grappling, and MMA. It’s an absolute thing of beauty watching the best Warriors in the world compete for a title shot or contract. These guys are also heavily incentivized by getting an extra $10K for a knockout or submission, which makes for a banger of a fight.

Anyway enough ranting the bottom line is I’m sick of wrestlers on the post fight interviews squeak about how that they wanted to get the knockout finish but came up short for some reason or another. The sad thing is most of these guys nowadays, train to control the fight and get a safe decision and thats it! In other words if the system is broken because it’s encouraging dull and uninteresting fighters, we need to change the system. Thanks for reading this and curious what your thoughts are. Mr Baker

Yeah, but think of the origin of MMA. It was to show which style or martial art is better/best. The non wrestlers just need to kick more wrestler ass.