Social WR Lounge v267: [ CENSORED ]

[Bald1]

Why are guns and transgenders partisan issues at all? Because hardcore right wingers wanted them to be. So, I would start there if there's remediation to be had.

Here's a counter to that assumption and question.

Because the "left" is more the party of empathy, sympathy and therefore feelings, so they've adopted the be nice stance on most issues. And not being offensive to transgender people and saving people from gun violence is squarely in the wheelhouse of such nice people.

Admirable goals, yet the implementation is leading to a demand for unquestioning obedience. And that's a fundamentally illiberal stance.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

He's a decent person, most of the time, then would go postal. A shame, really, because he's articulate and no dum dum. Unfortunately his temper seems to always get the best of him and he'd put his blinders on. Logical Insanity indeed. Hope he'll be back and watch what he posts here closer.

He had way too much trouble separating facts from feelings. I'm not even sure how I'd approach correcting that beyond just taking a few more deep breaths than you might otherwise.

Maybe get really into a completely inert subject and then realize that's the mindset that should carry over into political analysis as well.

 

[Bald1]

It's insane to me that the right wing adopted the second amendment and pretend like they're the only ones who want to protect the right to bear arms. It's not a ring-wing position.

Karl Marx himself, the far left boogie man that gets name-dropped for spooky fear-mongering all the time, expressed that the working class should always be armed and prepared to kill the oppressors.



The quote is, hilariously enough, attributed to Ronald Reagan in memes. Ronald Reagan signed the Mulford Act into law in California, in an attempt to criminalize Black Panthers openly carrying firearms during protests and in general.

Anything further left than "Progressive Democrats" supports and encourages the right to bear arms. I tell anyone I can to join the SRA and seek out your local chapter.

And everytime I see some right-wing dork on Twitter saying something like "make sure you're carrying because those antifa soyboys don't" I'm just like.... lmao that loser is going to end up in a hospital at best.

And you were one of the people I had in mind when making that particular point. It's also insane to me that open discourse, at least on some topics, is being championed by "the right". Now I fully expect someone to pipe in with a "they just want to further their agenda!" type of an argument. To which I say - no shit, nitwit. Air it all out and let the best ideas win. Sooner or later the shoe will be on the other foot and you'll want your (in the conservative vs liberal discussion it's our) voice to be heard, right? Gay marriage and equal rights are just two things that were won precisely because a debate was had and there are no arguments against them.

So let me ask you this, fully knowing you've been an open supporter of 2nd amendment - have you never encountered opposition, or been labelled as something you're not just because of this one stance?

 

[BEER]

And you were one of the people I had in mind when making that particular point. It's also insane to me that open discourse, at least on some topics, is being championed by "the right". Now I fully expect someone to pipe in with a "they just want to further their agenda!" type of an argument. To which I say - no shit, nitwit. Air it all out and let the best ideas win. Sooner or later the shoe will be on the other foot and you'll want your (in the conservative vs liberal discussion it's our) voice to be heard, right? Gay marriage and equal rights are just two things that were won precisely because a debate was had and there are no arguments against them.

So let me ask you this, fully knowing you've been an open supporter of 2nd amendment - have you never encountered opposition, or been labelled as something you're not just because of this one stance?

Not by anyone other than conservatives. Recently booted SDW used to tell me that I'm a "classic liberal" when... No the fuck I'm not lmao.

But people like SDW refer to Democrats as "the far-left", so I don't expect them to have any insight to political ideology in any respect.

 

[Bald1]

He had way too much trouble separating facts from feelings. I'm not even sure how I'd approach correcting that beyond just taking a few more deep breaths than you might otherwise.

Maybe get really into a completely inert subject and then realize that's the mindset that should carry over into political analysis as well.

Yeah, deep breaths and looking away from the screen would be a start. Perhaps political discussions should take a back seat to dealing with personal demons too, if a person is afflicted with such.

 

[BEER]

This is absolutely disgusting.

 

[Andy Capp]

Here's a counter to that assumption and question.

Because the "left" is more the party of empathy, sympathy and therefore feelings, so they've adopted the be nice stance on most issues. And not being offensive to transgender people and saving people from gun violence is squarely in the wheelhouse of such nice people.

Admirable goals, yet the implementation is leading to a demand for unquestioning obedience. And that's a fundamentally illiberal stance.

What assumption? It's a fact you can verify with your own eyes and ears.

 

[Bald1]

What assumption? It's a fact you can verify with your own eyes and ears.

Alright, got any reading on it? I have some time to kill yet.

 

[Gregolian]

@Falsedawn I've been thinking about those Tweets about BBQ in the US and think I figured out why Texas "scored low" according to the idiot that propogated that mess of a map.


Folks that know how something SHOULD taste/be are more critical of it. Look at say, sushi in areas that have huge amounts of Japanese folks. You put out garbage or have 85% of your menu be jacked up California rolls they'll go out of business while in a place like, Salt Lake City, the white folks think that teriyaki and Califronia rolls are actually Japanese so they're less critical of it.

Chinese folks and Chinese food.... notice there are less mom and pop true Chinese in areas with low Chinese populations and they last.

 

[CubicleGangster]

This is absolutely disgusting.

Check out this weird mix of thottery and genocide

 

[BEER]

Check out this weird mix of thottery and genocide

Would only hit with a baseball bat or rock.

I have principles.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Here's a counter to that assumption and question.

Because the "left" is more the party of empathy, sympathy and therefore feelings, so they've adopted the be nice stance on most issues. And not being offensive to transgender people and saving people from gun violence is squarely in the wheelhouse of such nice people.

Admirable goals, yet the implementation is leading to a demand for unquestioning obedience. And that's a fundamentally illiberal stance.

Not sure why hating people who are different is not "feelings" just as much as believing in equal rights. In general, liberalism is about principles, which people certainly come to with feelings but which then operate as rules (though it's feelings that even make us uncomfortable with logical contradictions). And that's the reason the left is more open to equal rights even from people with unusual lifestyles. Just a general belief that those things don't justify disqualification from civil society.

He had way too much trouble separating facts from feelings. I'm not even sure how I'd approach correcting that beyond just taking a few more deep breaths than you might otherwise.

Maybe get really into a completely inert subject and then realize that's the mindset that should carry over into political analysis as well.

I actually think that SDW was better than most at separating his preferences from his beliefs. Not perfect, certainly (see his refusal to accept that most political violence comes from the right or the findings about BLM protests), but who is?

And you were one of the people I had in mind when making that particular point. It's also insane to me that open discourse, at least on some topics, is being championed by "the right".

Not seeing that at all.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...l-register-and-fine-fact-checkers/5043399001/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/texas-republicans-ban-teachers-racism_n_609a96c8e4b063dccea1a3ef?baq

Plus, see the attacks on Twitter, MLB, etc. The right seems all in on fighting against freedom of speech these days.

 

[CubicleGangster]

Would only hit with a baseball bat or rock.

I have principles.

Her whole account is a bizarre mix of thottery, cosplay, and IDF propaganda

 

[Gregolian]

Her whole account is a bizarre mix of thottery, cosplay, and IDF propaganda

Her whole account is a bizarre mix of thottery, cosplay, and IDF propaganda

Her whole account is a bizarre mix of thottery, cosplay, and IDF propaganda

 

[BEER]

Her whole account is a bizarre mix of thottery, cosplay, and IDF propaganda

Years ago I used to date a Zionist Jewish girl but I was dumb as shit and had no care at all for international politics.

Damn wish I was still that person sometimes.

 

[CubicleGangster]

Still would

 

[CubicleGangster]

Years ago I used to date a Zionist Jewish girl but I was dumb as shit and had no care at all for international politics.

Damn wish I was still that person sometimes.

GF is a russian jew
She's not pro-islreal

 

[Gregolian]

Still would

Yeah, my principles aren't that strong to say no to that badonkadonk lol.

The IDF though are the reason the common civilian can't find integrally supressed Ruger 10/22s cause those assfucks used them as riot control weapons claiming they were less than lethal until their sharpshooters got so good (as in good shots) that they were killing protestors with them....

 

[Bald1]

Not sure why hating people who are different is not "feelings" just as much as believing in equal rights. In general, liberalism is about principles, which people certainly come to with feelings but which then operate as rules (though it's feelings that even make us uncomfortable with logical contradictions). And that's the reason the left is more open to equal rights even from people with unusual lifestyles. Just a general belief that those things don't justify disqualification from civil society.



I actually think that SDW was better than most at separating his preferences from his beliefs. Not perfect, certainly (see his refusal to accept that most political violence comes from the right or the findings about BLM protests), but who is?



Not seeing that at all.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...l-register-and-fine-fact-checkers/5043399001/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/texas-republicans-ban-teachers-racism_n_609a96c8e4b063dccea1a3ef?baq

Plus, see the attacks on Twitter, MLB, etc. The right seems all in on fighting against freedom of speech these days.

See, you're mistaking my want for open discussion as a want to spread hate. I don't get how that paragraph has anything to do with the discussion as a whole. Talking about something doesn't mean the person hates the subject of the topic.

As for your last paragraph? It's clearly the "right" that's open to even talking about some issues. The unwillingness to broach topics is precisely why I'm not aligned with conservatives as much of that behavior stems from dogma rooted in religion. They've just bundled that mindset into politics.

 

[sickness2.0]

See, you're mistaking my want for open discussion as a want to spread hate. I don't get how that paragraph has anything to do with the discussion as a whole. Talking about something doesn't mean the person hates the subject of the topic.

As for your last paragraph? It's clearly the "right" that's open to even talking about some issues. The unwillingness to broach topics is precisely why I'm not aligned with conservatives as much of that behavior stems from dogma rooted in religion. They've just bundled that mindset into politics.

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