Social WR Lounge v262: Pansy Division

What mini power do you choose?

  • You can always magically add 15 minutes to anything you're supposed to be on time to

    Votes: 3 7.5%

  • In two conversations a day you can effortlessly make small talk that goes well

    Votes: 5 12.5%

  • Three times a month you can go an entire day without needing to use the bathroom

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • Four times a month you can feel completely full without needing to eat

    Votes: 5 12.5%

  • Five times a month you can fall asleep perfectly when you decide too

    Votes: 26 65.0%
  • Total voters
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sickc0d3r said:
Fair enough, but, put me in a room where all I can watch day in and day out for a year is whatever boxing matches I name, I’ll mostly take the bouts from those 80’s and 90’s fighters.
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Definitely some gems to choose from. Barrera-Morales 1 & 3, Tyson-Holyfield 1, Trinidad-Vargas, Duran-Barkley, Hagler-Hearns, Bowe-Golota, Leonard-Duran 1, and so much more.

I remember phoning up my old man telling him Douglas kayoed Tyson and he called me back like a couple mins later asking if I heard right, he was in such disbelief.

All that said, the earlier years are let down a bit by worse footage and lack of crowd noise and audio that really makes you feel the gravity of what was going on; but a lot of fights were absolute wars with battle of will being the difference which is always the most compelling. Obviously when top fighters are going at it the probability of the knockout goes down, and so many of those fights were 15 round wars.

Which is evidence by the hall of fame records / low kayo ratios in the golden age of Lamotta, Basilio, Cerdan, Fullmer etc. Even SRR who in my view had the handspeed of a Roy Jones Jr combined with the power of Gennady Golovkin only won by knockout a little over half his fights. Robinson won the vast vast majority of his amateur fights by knockout though and record is hampered by fighting bigger men a good chunk of his career.

I would give my left arm to have been alive at that time and have the TV tech we do now. People had to listen to those fights on the radio; what a shame.
 
I just realized Vitali Klitschko lost to Lennox Lewis only via cut, actually leading the scorecards. I did not remember that.
 
JDragon said:
I just realized Vitali Klitschko lost to Lennox Lewis only via cut, actually leading the scorecards. I did not remember that.
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That was a very sloppy fight. As odd as it may sound, I don't think Lewis trained too hard for that fight. Klitschko gave him the business early then Lewis started coming on, but it was really really sloppy. But a lot of sloppy telegraphed punches and heavy breathing early,

Lewis was pretty fucking savage when he felt he had something to prove. He turned in some bum performances when he got arrogant, like against Rahman. He looked like a tub-a-lard in that first fight, and was a completely different fighter in the rematch.
 
Sycho Sid said:
Not much yet, but the sequel appeared on the Japanese PSstore
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It's not even on PC yet

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Unknown Pleasures said:
Which is evidence by the hall of fame records / low kayo ratios in the golden age of Lamotta, Basilio, Cerdan, Fullmer etc. Even SRR who in my view had the handspeed of a Roy Jones Jr combined with the power of Gennady Golovkin only won by knockout a little over half his fights. Robinson won the vast vast majority of his amateur fights by knockout though and record is hampered by fighting bigger men a good chunk of his career.
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He is a GOD.

The dude got "stopped" ONCE in 201 professional fights spanning a quarter century, against a HOF caliber reigning Light Heavyweight Champion. SRR's power increased in both a literal and relative sense once his frame filled out a little more. There was very little actually 'sweet' about him, he was a fucking savage man and absolutely brutalized people during his illustrious past-prime middleweight run. I always described him as "Puncher-Boxer" rather than the inverse.

LaMotta TKO13
Fullmer KO5
Turpin TKO10
Olson (x3) KO12, KO2, KO4
Graziano KO3
Villemain TKO9
Belloise TKO7
Basora KO1
Rindone (x2) TKO6, KO6
Stretz KO5
Hecht KO2

This was uploaded 14 years ago and it's still my fave.



His record against rated opposition is mindblowing, Hall of Famers in bold.

1941: Sammy Angott (No. 1 LW) (@135)
1941: Maxie Shapiro (No. 9 LW) (@135)
1941: Fritzie Zivic (No. 1 WW)
-- Robinson debuts at No. 1 in the welterweight ratings after win over Zivic.
1942: Fritzie Zivic (No. 3 WW)
1942: Norman Rubio (No. 9 WW)
1942: Marty Servo (No. 7 WW)
1942: Sammy Angott (World LW Champ) (@ 147)
1942: Tony Motisi (No. 9 WW)
1942: Jake LaMotta (No. 10 MW)
1942: Izzy Janazzo (No. 9 WW)
1942: Izzy Janazzo (No. 9 WW)
1943: Jake La Motta (No. 6 MW)
1943: Jackie Wilson (No. 2 WW)
1943: Jake La Motta (No. 1 MW)
1943: Henry Armstrong (No. 2 WW)
1944: Vic Dellicurti (No. 10 MW)
1945: Tommy Bell (No. 6 WW)
1945: Jake LaMotta (No. 3 MW)
1945: Jose Basora (No. 6 MW)
1945: Jimmy McDaniels (No. 6 WW)
1945: Jake LaMotta (No. 1 MW)
1946: Sammy Angott (No. 6 WW)
1946: Joe Curcio (No. 9 WW)
1946: Tommy Bell (No. 2 WW)
-- Wins vacant Welterweight title.
1947: Georgie Abrams (No. 3 MW)
1947: Jimmy Doyle (No. 6 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1948: Bernard Docusen (No. 1 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1948: Kid Gavilan (No. 1 WW)
1949: Kid Gavilan (No. 1 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1949: Steve Belloise (No. 2 MW)
-- Robinson debuts at No. 1 at middleweight after win over Belloise. He still continues to hold the welterweight championship.
1950: George Costner (No. 2 WW)
1950: Robert Villemain (No. 2 MW)
1950: Charley Fusari (No. 5 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title.
1950: Robert Villemain (No. 4 MW)
1951: Jake LaMotta (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
-- Robinson vacates welterweight title after win over LaMotta.
1951: Randy Turpin (No. 1 MW)
-- Loses Middleweight title
1951: Randy Turpin (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1952: Carl "Bobo" Olson (No. 5 MW)
-- Defends Middleweight title
1952: Rocky Graziano (No. 9 MW)
-- Defends Middleweight title
1952: Joey Maxim (World LHW Champion)
-- Robinson retires for 30 months after loss to Maxim.
1955: Rocky Castellani (No. 2 MW)
1955: Carl "Bobo" Olson (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1956: Carl "Bobo" Olson (No. 1 MW)
-- Defends Middleweight title
1957: Gene Fullmer (No. 1 MW)
-- Loses Middleweight title
1957: Gene Fullmer (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1957: Carmen Basilio (World WW Champion) (@160)
-- Loses Middleweight title
1958: Carmen Basilio (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1959: No fights vs. top contenders
1960: Paul Pender (No. 8 MW)
-- Loses Middleweight title
1960: Paul Pender (World MW Champion)
1960: Gene Fullmer (No. 1 MW)
1961: Gene Fullmer (No. 1 MW)
1961: Denny Moyer (No. 9 MW)
1962: Denny Moyer (No. 9 MW)
1962: Terry Downes (No. 3 MW)
1963: Ralph Dupas (No. 3 WW) (@160)
1963: Joey Giardello (No. 3 MW)
1964: No fights vs. top 10 contenders
1965: Stan Harrington (No. 9 MW)
1965: Joey Archer (No. 4 MW)
 
Deorum said:
He is a GOD.

The dude got "stopped" ONCE in 201 professional fights spanning a quarter century, against a HOF caliber reigning Light Heavyweight Champion. SRR's power increased in both a literal and relative sense once his frame filled out a little more. There was very little actually 'sweet' about him, he was a fucking savage man and absolutely brutalized people during his illustrious past-prime middleweight run. I always described him as "Puncher-Boxer" rather than the inverse.

LaMotta TKO13
Fullmer KO5
Turpin TKO10
Olson (x3) KO12, KO2, KO4
Graziano KO3
Villemain TKO9
Belloise TKO7
Basora KO1
Rindone (x2) TKO6, KO6
Stretz KO5
Hecht KO2

This was uploaded 14 years ago and it's still my fave.



His record against rated opposition is mindblowing, Hall of Famers in bold.

1941: Sammy Angott (No. 1 LW) (@135)
1941: Maxie Shapiro (No. 9 LW) (@135)
1941: Fritzie Zivic (No. 1 WW)
-- Robinson debuts at No. 1 in the welterweight ratings after win over Zivic.
1942: Fritzie Zivic (No. 3 WW)
1942: Norman Rubio (No. 9 WW)
1942: Marty Servo (No. 7 WW)
1942: Sammy Angott (World LW Champ) (@ 147)
1942: Tony Motisi (No. 9 WW)
1942: Jake LaMotta (No. 10 MW)
1942: Izzy Janazzo (No. 9 WW)
1942: Izzy Janazzo (No. 9 WW)
1943: Jake La Motta (No. 6 MW)
1943: Jackie Wilson (No. 2 WW)
1943: Jake La Motta (No. 1 MW)
1943: Henry Armstrong (No. 2 WW)
1944: Vic Dellicurti (No. 10 MW)
1945: Tommy Bell (No. 6 WW)
1945: Jake LaMotta (No. 3 MW)
1945: Jose Basora (No. 6 MW)
1945: Jimmy McDaniels (No. 6 WW)
1945: Jake LaMotta (No. 1 MW)
1946: Sammy Angott (No. 6 WW)
1946: Joe Curcio (No. 9 WW)
1946: Tommy Bell (No. 2 WW)
-- Wins vacant Welterweight title.
1947: Georgie Abrams (No. 3 MW)
1947: Jimmy Doyle (No. 6 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1948: Bernard Docusen (No. 1 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1948: Kid Gavilan (No. 1 WW)
1949: Kid Gavilan (No. 1 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1949: Steve Belloise (No. 2 MW)
-- Robinson debuts at No. 1 at middleweight after win over Belloise. He still continues to hold the welterweight championship.
1950: George Costner (No. 2 WW)
1950: Robert Villemain (No. 2 MW)
1950: Charley Fusari (No. 5 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title.
1950: Robert Villemain (No. 4 MW)
1951: Jake LaMotta (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
-- Robinson vacates welterweight title after win over LaMotta.
1951: Randy Turpin (No. 1 MW)
-- Loses Middleweight title
1951: Randy Turpin (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1952: Carl "Bobo" Olson (No. 5 MW)
-- Defends Middleweight title
1952: Rocky Graziano (No. 9 MW)
-- Defends Middleweight title
1952: Joey Maxim (World LHW Champion)
-- Robinson retires for 30 months after loss to Maxim.
1955: Rocky Castellani (No. 2 MW)
1955: Carl "Bobo" Olson (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1956: Carl "Bobo" Olson (No. 1 MW)
-- Defends Middleweight title
1957: Gene Fullmer (No. 1 MW)
-- Loses Middleweight title
1957: Gene Fullmer (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1957: Carmen Basilio (World WW Champion) (@160)
-- Loses Middleweight title
1958: Carmen Basilio (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1959: No fights vs. top contenders
1960: Paul Pender (No. 8 MW)
-- Loses Middleweight title
1960: Paul Pender (World MW Champion)
1960: Gene Fullmer (No. 1 MW)
1961: Gene Fullmer (No. 1 MW)
1961: Denny Moyer (No. 9 MW)
1962: Denny Moyer (No. 9 MW)
1962: Terry Downes (No. 3 MW)
1963: Ralph Dupas (No. 3 WW) (@160)
1963: Joey Giardello (No. 3 MW)
1964: No fights vs. top 10 contenders
1965: Stan Harrington (No. 9 MW)
1965: Joey Archer (No. 4 MW)
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Darn tooting.

I think it's ridiculous that his name NEVER comes up in the GOAT athlete debate/discussion. He has a very strong case.
 
Any of you play fantasy football ? Late round QBs- safford , burrow , donald , Fitzpatrick* ( how do you rank them? Find myself being able to make strong cases for each)

*if you don't think fitz puts up quality numbers for fantasy (considering his adp is late 12th/ early 13th ... don't bother chiming in)
 
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Maréchal said:
Any of you play fantasy football ? Late round QBs- safford , burrow , donald , Fitzpatrick* ( how do you rank them? Find myself being able to make strong cases for each)

*if you don't think fitz puts up quality numbers for fantasy (considering his adp is late 12th/ early 13th ... don't bother chiming in)
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I think the football nerds do a Lounge fantasy football thing every year
 
Unknown Pleasures said:
Definitely some gems to choose from. Barrera-Morales 1 & 3, Tyson-Holyfield 1, Trinidad-Vargas, Duran-Barkley, Hagler-Hearns, Bowe-Golota, Leonard-Duran 1, and so much more.

I remember phoning up my old man telling him Douglas kayoed Tyson and he called me back like a couple mins later asking if I heard right, he was in such disbelief.

All that said, the earlier years are let down a bit by worse footage and lack of crowd noise and audio that really makes you feel the gravity of what was going on; but a lot of fights were absolute wars with battle of will being the difference which is always the most compelling. Obviously when top fighters are going at it the probability of the knockout goes down, and so many of those fights were 15 round wars.

Which is evidence by the hall of fame records / low kayo ratios in the golden age of Lamotta, Basilio, Cerdan, Fullmer etc. Even SRR who in my view had the handspeed of a Roy Jones Jr combined with the power of Gennady Golovkin only won by knockout a little over half his fights. Robinson won the vast vast majority of his amateur fights by knockout though and record is hampered by fighting bigger men a good chunk of his career.

I would give my left arm to have been alive at that time and have the TV tech we do now. People had to listen to those fights on the radio; what a shame.
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No love for sweet pea vs haugen /nelson/jlr?

Hell his draw against jcc was quality boxing?
 
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