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WR discussion re: Marvin Heemeyer

Suicide was a pussy end to the story, but still I can't speak ill of a man that gave the world this:

The machine used in the incident was a Komatsu D355A bulldozer[9] fitted with makeshift armor plating covering the cabin,engine and parts of the tracks. In places this armor was over 1 foot (30 cm) thick, consisting of 5000-psi Quikrete concrete mix sandwiched between sheets of tool steel (acquired from an automotive dealer in Denver), to make ad-hoc composite armor. This made the machine impervious to small arms fire and resistant to explosives: indeed three external explosions and more than 200 rounds of ammunition fired at the bulldozer had no effect on it.[1]

For visibility the bulldozer was fitted with several video cameras linked to two monitors mounted on the vehicle's dashboard; the cameras were protected on the outside by 3-inch (76 mm) shields of bullet-resistant plastic.[1] Onboard fans and an air conditioner were used to keep Heemeyer cool while driving, and compressed-air nozzles were fitted to blow dust away from the video cameras. He had made three gun-ports, fitted for a .50 caliber sniper rifle, a .308 semi-automatic, and a .22 long rifle, all fitted with a half-inch-thick steel plate. Heemeyer apparently had no intention of leaving the cabin once he entered it.[1]Authorities speculated he may have used a homemade crane – found in his garage – to lower the armor hull over the dozer and himself. "Once he tipped that lid shut, he knew he wasn't getting out", Daly said. Investigators searched the garage where they believe Heemeyer built the vehicle and found cement and armor steel.[1]

...and used it to unleash his madness on the world, running over city hall in the process.
For that, he's a hero in his own, crazy way.
 
I still don't get what my friend sees that's defensible.
But here's what he had to say:

"I think his actions were close to justifiable, wish he had gone on longer. If this happened more often there would be less corruption."

My response: "How does his frustration with his situation justify his actions or engender sympathy such that you wish it had gone on longer?"
 
I remember thinking when that happened that that was an insane thing to do, but that I was also extremely jealous of him having made his own tank.
 
Nah, he's not a hero. He had an offer for 250k that he took, and then changed his mind. He then wanted 375k, and then eventually a million.

I don't think this is a case of corruption but rather one of a guy who got greedy and lost the cooperation of a lot of people.

The tank is pretty fuckin cool tho.
 
My friend's response: "City left him no choice. Cutting off his sewer lines and fining him for not having a sewer connection, jacking up his taxes, corrupt small town officials bought by the cement company. You can only fuck with some people for so long before they turn on you. Was he just supposed to give up his property? Fuck that, he's almost a hero in my mind."

I didn't really know what to say to that.
I was actually a little worried about the attitude my friend had towards it.
 
My friend's response: "City left him no choice. Cutting off his sewer lines and fining him for not having a sewer connection, jacking up his taxes, corrupt small town officials bought by the cement company. You can only fuck with some people for so long before they turn on you. Was he just supposed to give up his property? Fuck that, he's almost a hero in my mind."

I didn't really know what to say to that.
I was actually a little worried about the attitude my friend had towards it.

As well you should be. If he's an adult, tbh, your friend sounds like a psycho.
I'd prepare what you intend to say when reporters ask you "did you ever see anything that made you think he was capable of this?"
 
As well you should be. If he's an adult, tbh, your friend sounds like a psycho.
I'd prepare what you intend to say when reporters ask you "did you ever see anything that made you think he was capable of this?"
That's kind of what bugged me, I haven't been able to speak with him and ask where this is coming from
 
My friend's response: "City left him no choice. Cutting off his sewer lines and fining him for not having a sewer connection, jacking up his taxes, corrupt small town officials bought by the cement company. You can only fuck with some people for so long before they turn on you. Was he just supposed to give up his property? Fuck that, he's almost a hero in my mind."

I didn't really know what to say to that.
I was actually a little worried about the attitude my friend had towards it.
You friends sounds a bit.. anarchist-ish / sovereign citizen movement type
 
My friend's response: "City left him no choice. Cutting off his sewer lines and fining him for not having a sewer connection, jacking up his taxes, corrupt small town officials bought by the cement company.

I don't see most of this in the article.
Maybe if it were all true, it would be more sympathetic, but I'm sort of inclined to suspect your friend was just imagining details to fit the narrative in his head that he liked.
 
You friends sounds a bit.. anarchist-ish / sovereign citizen movement type
I think he's been displaying a tendency towards this kind of thinking.
I didn't get into the argument with him via text because I knew he wanted to vent whatever was on his mind
 
Lost me at the god stuff.

If he'd have just said " they fucked me, so I'm gonna fuck them" I would have at least understood.
 
Just another religious nut job.

religious nutjob = 1 dead

atheist nutjob = millions dead
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which is worse???
 
Poor skip just got triggered again. Must be hard being so entitled and sensitive.
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I'd be worried about your friend there. Sounds like he needs some help.
 
religious nutjob = 1 dead

atheist nutjob = millions dead
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which is worse???
I'll play devils advocate

religious nutjob = ISIS types, Spanish Inquisition, etc

different sides of the same coin
 
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