Would Conor Mcgregor beat "motivated Bj Penn"?

[TheNewOldGuy]

It was impressive but Machida was also fat. In the UFC Machida fought at 200lbs to 205lbs on fight night then later fought at 200lbs at MW making a water weight cut.

You're point? BJ was still massively undersized in that fight and also fat, and Machida was a far superior striker. It was basically a natural LW taking on a natural MW and going the distance.

 

[Strijfy]

Still is not a good look for an alleged P4P GOAT. And I say this as someone who thinks if Bj fought smart he would beat Conor

fair enough , it wasnt really a ' sucker punch ' of sorts but he purposely left himself wide open which was pretty dumb.
Im sure that there is footage of BJ sitting on the fat guy and giving him payback G&P after he got knocked down.

 

[Brazilian007]

You're point? BJ was still massively undersized in that fight and also fat, and Machida was a far superior striker. It was basically a natural LW taking on a natural MW and going the distance.

I give him props for that but I do not use it as an example of his alleged P4P GOAT status that many of his superfans do. The rational of using fights that he lost in higher weight classes or even lower weight classes (Penn has a losing record at Welterweight and at Featherweight) is just absurd that the "GOAT" of P4P would have losing records at a smaller weight class and higher. Bj natural weight class is LW. Some of his fans say he was really a FW who fought at LW due to the UFC not having a FW division for a while but the thing is he chose to fight at 161lbs on fight night to what 163lbs? He chose ti cut only 7lbs or 5lbs. There are Featerweights who weigh 160lbs and cut tons of weight which is a large % of their mass at that weight. There are FWs who weigh as much as Prime Penn but it doesnt deny he was a medium sized LW who later on chose to go to FW were he was larger than many opponents in weight but still lost.

At Lightweight Penn is 11 wins and 4 losses and has a stellar record in terms of opponents. I would consider him a top 3 LW of all time and prior to Khabib the LW GOAT

Bj is 2 wins and 5 losses at Welterweight with 1 Draw

Bj is 0 wins and 3 losses at Featherweight vs smaller opponents.

Bj is 1 and 1 at LHW he beat Renzo Gracie who he outweighed. And he weighed in at 191lbs with no weight cut which technically is a LHW but realistically is a MiddleWeight as no LHWs show up below 205lbs.


Also in my opinion P4P is nonsense used to cope for smaller guys alleging if they were HW size they would somehow retain the same skills and athleticism is just absurd because with size comes some factual reduction in mobility and speed.

And if we were to argue a P4P well someone who has a winning record at multiple weight classes and was a champion would logically be above someone with losing records in mulitple weight classes.

 

[ejazahmednit]

There is a distinct possibility that Mcgregor wins
He has the superior boxing but BJ of old had the better chin
To stop prime Mcgregor you need elite chin and takedowns (unless you are Nate :-D )

 

[TheNewOldGuy]

I give him props for that but I do not use it as an example of his alleged P4P GOAT status that many of his superfans do. The rational of using fights that he lost in higher weight classes or even lower weight classes (Penn has a losing record at Welterweight and at Featherweight) is just absurd that the "GOAT" of P4P would have losing records at a smaller weight class and higher. Bj natural weight class is LW. Some of his fans say he was really a FW who fought at LW due to the UFC not having a FW division for a while but the thing is he chose to fight at 161lbs on fight night to what 163lbs? He chose ti cut only 7lbs or 5lbs. There are Featerweights who weigh 160lbs and cut tons of weight which is a large % of their mass at that weight. There are FWs who weigh as much as Prime Penn but it doesnt deny he was a medium sized LW who later on chose to go to FW were he was larger than many opponents in weight but still lost.

At Lightweight Penn is 11 wins and 4 losses and has a stellar record in terms of opponents. I would consider him a top 3 LW of all time and prior to Khabib the LW GOAT

Bj is 2 wins and 5 losses at Welterweight with 1 Draw

Bj is 0 wins and 3 losses at Featherweight vs smaller opponents.

Bj is 1 and 1 at LHW he beat Renzo Gracie who he outweighed. And he weighed in at 191lbs with no weight cut which technically is a LHW but realistically is a MiddleWeight as no LHWs show up below 205lbs.


Also in my opinion P4P is nonsense used to cope for smaller guys alleging if they were HW size they would somehow retain the same skills and athleticism is just absurd because with size comes some factual reduction in mobility and speed.

And if we were to argue a P4P well someone who has a winning record at multiple weight classes and was a champion would logically be above someone with losing records in mulitple weight classes.

I still don't understand your argument. I agree with what you say in this post. I have never though BJ was in the P4P fighter discussion. He's somewhere in the top 5 in the LW list and that's about it. I'm just saying he was a fighter's fighter. He never needed to fight due to being born into a rich family. He fought because it was in him and he excelled to a degree most fighters can't. I also think he would have beat the piss out of McGregor after taking him down, and then submitted him. That's all I'm saying. If he could stand with Machida, he could handle McGregor.

 

[TITS]

No. Prime BJ would beat Conor to an absolute pulp, maybe even choke him out.

However, past-prime "Turtleman" era BJ would get embarrassed badly by pretty much any version of Conor.

 

[TheTickG]

I would pick prime Penn on this one.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

Bj got sucker punched by the fat drunk guy...if youre going to talk shit, at least let it be right.

Fat guy stomped him. Prime Bj beats Conor today. Prime Conor obliterates BJ inside 1.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

The Penn that beat Sherk vs the McGregor that beat Alvarez would have been a fucking hell of a fight.

Know what else? Prime McGregor vs 04-05 Gomi might have been an even better one!

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I feel that BJ Penn training strength and conditioning under the Marinovich brothers is probably the best lightweight I've ever seen. When he was at his best, he defeated the best that lightweights had to offer without breaking a sweat (albeit the competition was much lower then than it is now). Though I hold this opinion, I don't hold it strongly, as there really is no objective way of knowing how these things would play out. If the fight happened and I was dead wrong, I wouldn't say it's shocking... in fact, I'm rarely right lol

 

[HP_Nut]

It was impressive but Machida was also fat. In the UFC Machida fought at 200lbs to 205lbs on fight night then later fought at 200lbs at MW making a water weight cut.

Machida looked a little bit worse than usual, Penn flat-out looked like a fat guy. I think Machida is very underrated all-time, but if you watch the video of the fight, Penn was straight up fat, he looked like an avg Sherdogger (no offense to all the 6 ft 6 Sherbros). I don't think any LW could've given Machida a competitive fight, even though Machida wasn't peak yet, he already TKO'd Franklin before that fight

I can't imagine Conor doing the equivalent of that, taking a fight vs a skilled guy who weighs over 200 lbs. Conor talks about these massive WWs whom are 3x the size of him but I don't buy it. Cerrone was a career LW, & Nate's best success was at LW. Nate at most, is a little bigger than Conor

 

[CPH]

Rumble on the Rock BJ was like a honey badger. Can't see Conor stopping that tbh.

 

[Jon Stark]

Penn took down and out grappled Fitch before he gassed. Rocked Hughes, took his back and submitted him. Questionably beat Georges in their first fight. Took flush punches from prime Rory and didn't get dropped long after his expiration date. He would beat Conor into a living death and you don't even need to ask Ken Shamrock.

And he beat edgar 48-47 1,2,3 their first fight. Wild how Penn’s legacy is if he gets the GSP, Edgar and Fitch wins.

 

[Substance Abuse]

And he beat edgar 48-47 1,2,3 their first fight. Wild how Penn’s legacy is if he gets the GSP, Edgar and Fitch wins.

If he gets that deserved Edgar win, he then beats Maynard, and then fights Benson who he probably beats as well.

 

[Crash-override]

Penn is super overrated .500 record and always had excuses and was a cry baby.

Omg someone tells the truth better freakout now!
Prime conor most definitely could beat Penn his striking was on another level compared to plodding Penn. Way more dynamic and diverse with power no matter if most of you refuse to admit it.

 

[krelianx]

Conor could win, but Penn should be the favorite by a considerable margin. He was special. See what he did with Machida and Hughes.

Hughes would split Conor in half.

 

[corrupted]

Nope

 

[Prutfis]

Penn easily. He could box with the best and if that was not working out he could sub Conor in 3 seconds.

 

[cheesus]

Motivated Penn was extremely durable and his wrestling was a lot better than people give it credit for, I'd favor BJ in this match up, Conor has always shown questionable cardio and isn't half the fighter when pressured.

 

[Bazil]

Even current fat out of shape post bar room brawler KO'd retired unmotivated BJ Penn beats Conor lol.