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Women and the draft - are we already drafted by America?

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Was just reading an article on the subject of women and the draft that had a very unique take on it. Essentially, this the woman in this article says that women shouldn't be drafted because they already, effectively, are. The task of birthing children lies entirely on women, and far more women die during childbirth than men die in battle. The sacrifice, in blood, of suffering, that women suffer already far exceeds that of men - therefore, subjecting women to the draft is a double burden. What does Sherdog think on this - do women already give up more to keep America going than men and, therefore, shouldn't be subjected to selective service like the comparative slackers that men are?

"But the entire brouhaha panders to a false assumption (in the debate about whether women should or should not be drafted) the Marine Corps commandant made. Until we name What is that false assumption? It is that women are not already drafted. Of course women are already drafted! We just refuse, as a society, to acknowledge that fact. So let me acknowledge it here, in the hopes that will promote more meaningful debate over such an important national policy issue.

My thesis is simple: women already sacrifice more for their country than men do, whether we are speaking of blood or of treasure.
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the task of physically providing a next generation to secure a nation’s future rests solely in the wombs of American women. We women are drafted in this cause, because men are physically incapable of the task.
....
This draft has real consequences for the draftees. Women offer to lay down their health and even their very lives that their nation might have a future in the new citizens women’s sacrifices bring into the world
...
Indeed, consider that in the history of our nation, from 1776 onwards, vastly more women have died or been seriously harmed in or incident to childbirth than men have died or been wounded in battle. Approximately 1,200 American women die in childbirth every year, with almost 60,000 seriously wounded and suffering seriously physical harm, such as acute renal failure, stroke, heart failure, or aneurysms.
...
These are not gentle deaths, either.
...
I say, until men can die in childbirth just like women have for centuries, women should not be drafted and forced to die in battle also—that would mean women would be given a burden double compared to men in securing the nation’s future. This double burden would deepen the inequality between men and women, counting as valuable only what men value, and doing so in a context where women are not equally represented when these momentous decisions are made.
"

http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/16/we-already-draft-women-in-times-of-war/


Now, I find it pretty bold that this women would use the term "false equivalence" in an article like this but does anyone buy her argument? Should women be exempt from the draft because it would essentially impose a double burden on us - we sacrifice our bodes to create a new generation of Americans, and then we sacrifice again in bearing and giving birth to children? Unlike men, who only sacrifice if they happen to get drafted.
 
what a dumb cunt. Throw that bitch in the middle of a firefight in Marjah and see how quickly her stupid opinion changes.
 
This is the only type of draft I want to see women involved with.

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That was fucking stupid. No one is forcing them to have kids, its a decision.
 
Didn't read, but if men can involuntarily serve their country during war time, so can women, albeit not neccessarily in combat roles.
 
Well that article was dumb as shit.

If you want equity then you get it.

If women can serve the same has men then they should have to reregister.
 
Who drafted them?
 
If there was a war, not some hands-off middle-east meddling but a real war where the survival of nations is at risk, I would hope women would be put to work at home and in non-combat roles. Sending young women to the frontlines not only doesn't make any logical sense as they will slow down their teammates, you're sending them in a situation where they can't physically compete and will be raped and slaughtered. People are wrapping this shit up in a veil of equality but this is nothing like that, the government is giving itself more options to fuck with people's lives.
 
Q.) Does this involve giving more power to the government?
A.) Yes, it gives the government the power to draft women.


I always say "No" to giving our government more power.
 
Here is Camille Paglia destroying feminism for 30 minutes:

 
So men can't just identify as a woman to get out of the draft?

Damn, looks like they're closing the loophole.
 
Two key differences:

1) Having a child is mostly a choice. Being drafted is not.

2) Quantity and rates are not the same. Just because more women die during childbirth than men in war does not mean that you are more likely to die of childbirth than of war.

I think it is fair to dismiss her argument from this.
 
Additionally, this is not a new argument. Why, one of my dear feminist friends even proposed it to me a few years ago.

I shot it down all the same.
 
Two key differences:

1) Having a child is mostly a choice. Being drafted is not.

2) Quantity and rates are not the same. Just because more women die during childbirth than men in war does not mean that you are more likely to die of childbirth than of war.

I think it is fair to dismiss her argument from this.

It is also instinctive, and it is also a requirement for a healthy society since that is the future. Perhaps the most important 'duty' a society has, which is why men would go and fight and protect the women and children historically (basic tribe like behavior).
 
Her reasoning is shit. But women should be pumping out children not fighting wars anyway. They can hold themselves in modern warfare but it makes no sense, we need children to replace the losses and to work in the factories making weapons.
 
I can sort of see where she's coming from. Then again American women are more childless than they've ever been in the last 40 years so they're slipping up on their duties. Mention that and you get berated for shaming childless women and told about how its a personal choice that only the would be mother can decide.

Its not really a draft of any kind if you have a choice in the matter though is it? There are consequences for dodging the draft. Should there be consequences for being a childless woman? I'm not sure this is a road women want to walk down.
 
Lousy argument against women being drafted. There's plenty to be done in the military besides humping heavy packs on the front lines. There's no reason women can't contribute somehow, somewhere. Welcome to equality ladies. :p
 
If there was a war, not some hands-off middle-east meddling but a real war where the survival of nations is at risk, I would hope women would be put to work at home and in non-combat roles. Sending young women to the frontlines not only doesn't make any logical sense as they will slow down their teammates, you're sending them in a situation where they can't physically compete and will be raped and slaughtered. People are wrapping this shit up in a veil of equality but this is nothing like that, the government is giving itself more options to fuck with people's lives.

Have you ever been in the military? Not everybody is running around with a machine gun. There are plenty of support roles women could fulfill. There's supply, maintenance/mechanics, arms room, clerical jobs. etc... IMO there are front line jobs they can handle too like convoy security and truck driver. When it comes to our grunts and spec units that should remain a job for a man though.

Women are more than capable of serving. The only drawback is that they can tend to stir up drama when people start fucking, but that is the fault of both parties.
 
Was just reading an article on the subject of women and the draft that had a very unique take on it. Essentially, this the woman in this article says that women shouldn't be drafted because they already, effectively, are. The task of birthing children lies entirely on women, and far more women die during childbirth than men die in battle. The sacrifice, in blood, of suffering, that women suffer already far exceeds that of men - therefore, subjecting women to the draft is a double burden. What does Sherdog think on this - do women already give up more to keep America going than men and, therefore, shouldn't be subjected to selective service like the comparative slackers that men are?

"But the entire brouhaha panders to a false assumption (in the debate about whether women should or should not be drafted) the Marine Corps commandant made. Until we name What is that false assumption? It is that women are not already drafted. Of course women are already drafted! We just refuse, as a society, to acknowledge that fact. So let me acknowledge it here, in the hopes that will promote more meaningful debate over such an important national policy issue.

My thesis is simple: women already sacrifice more for their country than men do, whether we are speaking of blood or of treasure.
...
the task of physically providing a next generation to secure a nation’s future rests solely in the wombs of American women. We women are drafted in this cause, because men are physically incapable of the task.
....
This draft has real consequences for the draftees. Women offer to lay down their health and even their very lives that their nation might have a future in the new citizens women’s sacrifices bring into the world
...
Indeed, consider that in the history of our nation, from 1776 onwards, vastly more women have died or been seriously harmed in or incident to childbirth than men have died or been wounded in battle. Approximately 1,200 American women die in childbirth every year, with almost 60,000 seriously wounded and suffering seriously physical harm, such as acute renal failure, stroke, heart failure, or aneurysms.
...
These are not gentle deaths, either.
...
I say, until men can die in childbirth just like women have for centuries, women should not be drafted and forced to die in battle also—that would mean women would be given a burden double compared to men in securing the nation’s future. This double burden would deepen the inequality between men and women, counting as valuable only what men value, and doing so in a context where women are not equally represented when these momentous decisions are made.
"

http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/16/we-already-draft-women-in-times-of-war/


Now, I find it pretty bold that this women would use the term "false equivalence" in an article like this but does anyone buy her argument? Should women be exempt from the draft because it would essentially impose a double burden on us - we sacrifice our bodes to create a new generation of Americans, and then we sacrifice again in bearing and giving birth to children? Unlike men, who only sacrifice if they happen to get drafted.


Sounds to me like separate but equal argument. I guess we do have bathrooms the sexes can't share. We are missing the male only drinking fountains, and restaurant seating though.

Fucking feminists have jumped the shark into segregationist territory.
 
how about, the american draft is a fucking joke and always has been.
 
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