With the Helio Gracie filter, shouldn't the Gracies know striking?

[SBJ]

What is the Helio Gracie filter?

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[CajunJudoka]

"There must be a Fadda, to show that Jiu Jitsu is not just a privilege of Gracies." -Helio

I don't care about no stinking filter!

 

[Alonbenav]

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So, if I get my guard passed repeatedly, is my Jiu Jitsu passing the Helio Filter?

Asking because I feel like if that happened on the street, I might get my face punched in!

 

[JohnSouth]

Agreed. Some people have bitch hands though

Not to brag but that's me. lol

 

[JohnSouth]

what makes you think that the old school guys didn't use this kind of striking to advance position and open up submissions?

They had that TKD style of striking where you stand sideways to your opponent and do side kicks.

It works great until someone kicks the crap out of your legs.

 

[sauron0379]

Gracie Academies train in striking. In fact, it is a dedicated class that deals with striking and clinching. The Gracie method isn't about utilizing strikes to primarily cause a KO, but more for distance management. Doesn't mean a KO wouldn't happen. But the goal is to get to the ground and in the mount. This way strikes are ineveitable

 

[sauron0379]

@Alonbenav. Just because you get your guard passed repeatedly doesn't mean you get punched in the face. There are certain ways to defend punches from side mount bottom and mount bottom. If you get good at them, you will have an advantage b/c your opponent will be wasting energy on strikes. Wasted energy leads to mistakes

 

[Uchi Mata]

@Alonbenav. Just because you get your guard passed repeatedly doesn't mean you get punched in the face. There are certain ways to defend punches from side mount bottom and mount bottom. If you get good at them, you will have an advantage b/c your opponent will be wasting energy on strikes. Wasted energy leads to mistakes

So...your argument is that it's okay to be on bottom with your guard passed because your opponent will tire himself out hitting you?

 

[RacerX]

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Go to 40 seconds.

 

[deadlizard]

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Go to 40 seconds.

LOL at 1:11.

 

[chunglii]

Weren't there a few Gracies that had decent striking or boxing when they fought in MMA? For some reason I remember somebody saying Crosley Gracie had decent boxing skills.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Weren't there a few Gracies that had decent striking or boxing when they fought in MMA? For some reason I remember somebody saying Crosley Gracie had decent boxing skills.

Renzo has pretty good hands.

 

[flanellograf]

IMO, MMA is a little bit more boring now a days then it could be and this is one of the big reasons to me.

Thank god they haven't put in the fighter uniforms. It wasn't bad enough everyone fights the same, now they want them to all look alike.

The gap has narrowed, but everyone fights far from the same, and that will never ever happen. Even in boxing there are different styles. You just have to be a more informed viewer to see the difference. Are you saying that you aren't one?

 

[ThatBJJGuy]

The Helio Gracie filter is what Ryron and Rener use to guide their thought process. For example, you might say to yourself: 'can I get gullible people to buy my DVDs and watch my videos if I teach the berimbolo?' and the answer would be no, because Rafa Mendes does the berimbolo much better than they can and has free videos. Therefore, filming a berimbolo video would not help Ryron and Rener utilize their grandfather's legacy to make money with questionable products. As such it wouldn't pass the Helio Gracie filter, which is basically 'can I make money off my grandfather's legacy with this product or service?'. So it's simple really, but not applicable to anyone who isn't a direct descendant of Helio Gracie.

And to answer TS's question directly, Helio wasn't known for his striking and as such there's little money to be made teaching Helio Gracie striking. So no, it doesn't pass the filter.

this post does not pass the Helio filter

 

[SBJ]

I feel like if that happened on the street, I might get my face punched in!

Good! You should feel that way. Makes perfect sense. You are correct, and I understand your fear and apprehension.

Years of jiu-jitsu training without a curriculum grounded in the priniciples of the Helio Gracie Filter, may not adequately sharpen the initial self-defense reflexes and mindset required to give you the best chances to effectively survive and escape a bad situation.

Shit happens during a fight, and in a worst case senario, you might very well end up on the bottom of a fight, and unable to escape against a larger, stronger, and heavier opponent.

As Ryron demonstrated during Metamoris 1, even when he allowed Galvao to pass, side-mount, and mount, he was safe and never in danger. Amazing, considering the FACT that Ryron ended up with 4 submission attempts, while Galvao had ZERO in a contest where the fighters could ONLY WIN BY SUBMISSION.

In addition to more fiber in your diet, sounds like you could use a little Helio Gracie Filter in your training too.

 

[deadlizard]

Good! You should feel that way. Makes perfect sense. You are correct, and I understand your fear and apprehension.

Years of jiu-jitsu training without a curriculum grounded in the priniciples of the Helio Gracie Filter, may not adequately sharpen the initial self-defense reflexes and mindset required to give you the best chances to effectively survive and escape a bad situation.

Shit happens during a fight, and in a worst case senario, you might very well end up on the bottom of a fight, and unable to escape against a larger, stronger, and heavier opponent.

As Ryron demonstrated during Metamoris 1, even when he allowed Galvao to pass, side-mount, and mount, he was safe and never in danger. Amazing, considering the FACT that Ryron ended up with 4 submission attempts, while Galvao had ZERO in a contest where the fighters could ONLY WIN BY SUBMISSION.

In addition to more fiber in your diet, sounds like you could use a little Helio Gracie Filter in your training too.

Jimmies are rustled..

 

[jcandoitbig]

@Alonbenav. Just because you get your guard passed repeatedly doesn't mean you get punched in the face. There are certain ways to defend punches from side mount bottom and mount bottom. If you get good at them, you will have an advantage b/c your opponent will be wasting energy on strikes. Wasted energy leads to mistakes

lol. you're trolling right?

 

[Patrick F Carey]

Good! You should feel that way. Makes perfect sense. You are correct, and I understand your fear and apprehension.

Years of jiu-jitsu training without a curriculum grounded in the priniciples of the Helio Gracie Filter, may not adequately sharpen the initial self-defense reflexes and mindset required to give you the best chances to effectively survive and escape a bad situation.

Shit happens during a fight, and in a worst case senario, you might very well end up on the bottom of a fight, and unable to escape against a larger, stronger, and heavier opponent.

As Ryron demonstrated during Metamoris 1, even when he allowed Galvao to pass, side-mount, and mount, he was safe and never in danger. Amazing, considering the FACT that Ryron ended up with 4 submission attempts, while Galvao had ZERO in a contest where the fighters could ONLY WIN BY SUBMISSION.

In addition to more fiber in your diet, sounds like you could use a little Helio Gracie Filter in your training too.

So you agree that ryron's performance does not meet the helio filter

 

[FinBJJ]

not sure, dirty Kempo. Do they fight under vale tudo rules?

They fight under the "stand still and let me kick your balls" rules.

 

[No1 Stunna]

Striking as you see in MMA and Boxing really isn't realistic. Without gloves and wraps you can't go landing knockout bombs without seriously risking breaking something - the small bones in the human hand and wrist are way more fragile than the bones that make up the skull.

When boxing was fought bareknuckle matches lasted for hours, because a misplaced punch to the head could mean that your career was over. Even Mike Tyson nearly finished his boxing career prematurely by seriously fracturing his hand by pounching some nobody in a strike fight. Headhunting is pure sport - without gloves and wraps body shots and open palm strikes are all that you should be going for, which tend not to end a fight as reliably as takedown>choke.

I strongly agree with you, but there are rare exceptions to this rule. How many bare knuckle KO's did Igor Vovchanchin have on his record before finally breaking his hand? I think it was around 20. He would ground and pound the back of guys heads bare knuckle.