Will BJJ be worth shit in 20 years ?

[EE6_TBOIO_MATb]

Hey people,
some thread I read recently made me thinking...
MMA is constently evolving, everybody will agree on that...
The stuff they were doing 30 years ago was considered at the time "the shit"...
Now that stuff is, well........shit.

So, u think eventually the stuff we re doing now(Muay Thai, some wrestling takedowns, BJJ) in MMA will be outdated ?
My view on this is that......I believe we pretty much reached the top in terms of effectiveness...I don't see what style could come up that could be so different and so better at the same time.

Please, the ones who feel like answering Wing Chun or something of the like, don't answer.

 

[Commissar]

The reason we fight how we do now, is because it's the best we can do it. I don't believe there will ever be a more effective fighting style to be 'invented', again, so yes, these martial arts will be 'worth a shit' in 20 years.

 

[knoxpk]

I dont know that I agree with you. What has happened is certain things have been exposed lately.

But punching and kicking still seems to work, the same takedowns that are painted on egyptian walls and greek vases seem to work, Judo which has been around for a minute seems to be working and the Jits also seems to work and will continue to work.

What we WILL see is more fighters versed in more stuff which might give the illusion of something not working.

 

[Iron Shu**]

Of course it will...

 

[Ninjutsu Master]

no bjj won't be shit becuz my martial art will fuck it in the ass. But seriously bjj will be as good if not better than it is today in 20yrs. Wrestling is the world's oldest sport and it's as effective today as it was during the greek empire.

 

[kidrobot]

20 years? it really isn't worth shit now if you think about it. Centuries ago they invented something called a GUN.

On a more serious note, an art like bjj/wrestling isn't like computers. They may evolve in certain aspects but they never get so out dated that they become worthless. I mean what the hell will they invent... rubber guard with both legs lol

 

[LL Cool A]

I don't agree with the people that say shit will be all different... For example Muay Thai has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years, the principles are still the same, sure the way we go about training might change, as scientifically we are learning more about the human body now than ever but the techniques are really all the same shit.

As for BJJ, in 30 years, will the guard be useless, will the RNC be useless, will BJJ be useless? Fuck no. We might discover a few "new techniques" over the years but the basics, and the techniques we use now will never magically lose all effectiveness.

If anything Boxing has showed us that indeed, over time things do slightly change, just look at some of the fights 80 years ago and look at the fights today, they are different, but all the basic principals are still there, a jab is still a jab, a cross is still a cross, a slip, bob and weave are all still here today so think BJJ will be anything different.

 

[misterpariah]

I think all of the fighting styles that are used today will be just as effective in 20 years. What will change is the fighters.

Instead of a fighter growing up practicing one specific fighting style (ex. bjj) and then trying to round out his game (ex. Muay Thai) fighters will train in MMA. This change has already begun. Give it another 10 years or so and the majority of those competing in MMA will be more well rounded and have fewer weaknesses to exploit.

 

[irc]

Of course it will...

Oh. Okay then. End of thread. I'm convinced.

 

[rotten apple]

if anything it will evolve but it will always be effective, and wont become outdated. wrestling and boxings been around since the ancient greeks, and probably before then.
unless humans start evolving with lazer eyes or 5 arms, then jiu jitsu we know today will always be effective, thatswhy ive been learning that the basics are the most important thing then anything else, everything evolves around the basics.

 

[Foolkiller]

Nothing effective loses it's potency.

Muay Thai, Muay Boran and Krabi Krabong have existed for ages. Grappling has been practiced in many cultures since recorded history commenced. Weapon arts remain the same because the movements practiced are largely considered to be the most effective strikes and movements.

Grappling will never be worth shit as long as others don't practice it.

 

[bafflemeant]

Until people get genetically engineered to be double-jointed all over and get auxiliary blood shunts to their brain to become unchokeable, BJJ will work.

 

[monkey roll]

BJJ is ever changing. It'll never be outdated!!!

 

[Judoka101]

No current fighting style in MMA will be outdated...There will probably be some extra defences against them but they will still be effective.

 

[Kimuralex]

Nope, because bjj is constantly evolving. All the other fighting styles practice the same thing for so long, but bjj on th e other hand is always changing. Like for example, one of my instructors showed us more effective ways to finish the guillotine(like not trying to extend the guy in your guard but in fact pulling him in kindof with your legs), then i was doing a kneebar and my other instructor said to try to figure four the legs as they found its more effective then just crossing your legs..all these little things are changing. thats why in 20 years bjj will be better, but not "shit"

 

[hocky]

20 years from now we will just have leveled the playing field with brazilians then we'll advance jiujitsu with the next generation...placed second at nagas today no-gi.

 

[Gregster]

I think BJJ is at, or at least very near, a point where other MAs find themselves when they get popular. In the US, Judo and Okinawan Karate was mostly confined to a relative minority of ethnic enclaves (particularly on the west coast, and in Hawaii) until after WWII, when US soldiers not only got Judo training in the Army but started coming back from occupation tours in Japan where they were exposed to it and even trained. Kung Fu got big for a number of reasons about the same time. TKD was growing in population when the '88 Games in Seoul featured it as a demo sport, whereupon it positively blew up.

Along comes BJJ, which practical considerations aside also has a measure of exotic appeal not found too much anymore in martial arts. The growing acceptance and legitimacy of MMA certainly doesn't hurt either, I think. More and more people are going to want to pay whatever they need to shell out to learn how to fight like the tough-assed, tattooed pain merchants fighting in the UFC.

While this is all well and good and has considerable potential benefits, there are also pitfalls. You don't need to be frickin' Nostradamus to figure out what's gonna happen as more and more people are clamoring to learn BJJ, and demonstrating a clear willingness to break out their checkbooks and spend good money to do it. Money draws opportunists and assholes like dogshit attracts flies, and in the case of martial arts, it tends to result in sub-standard schools teaching watered-down or just plain bullshit versions of the art in schools designed and run in a manner that best fleeces the misinformed and the unwary.

The TKD I started training way back in the day bears little resemblance to what I see today getting taught all over the place. The TKD I learned had-- along with the flashy spin kicks and jaw-dropping athleticism-- effective techniques that ranged from kicking to punching and hand strikes to throws, joint-locks and standing submission holds. *TRUE* TKD brings in elements for across Koreas' diverse martial disciplines.

In that regard, I think BJJ may suffer a bit; a lot depends on how well the community of practitioners polices itself.

 

[ROTNROTT]

The crap they did 30 years ago wasn't tested this is, ground work, strikeing, submissions will always be relevant.

 

[-Montanha-]

There is film of Gene Labell in the 50s and it looked just the same as the Gracie In Action videos. Box, clinch, takedown and submit.

In the 70s in the first fight scene in Enter the Dragon, Bruce Lee wearing fingerless gloves strikes, does take down, and finishes with a crusifix.

1905 bare knuckle fights were taken to the ground by rastlers and booed by the crowds till they changed the rules and made it boxing.



Nothing has changed, its just popular again, and enough so that guys are refining it.

 

[UrbanSavage**]

It'll only get better, evolution.