Wilder leaves Breland

RDL81 said:
Having not seen any of the history my first guess was that it was some kid in his mums basement when it was pointed out it was the guy in the AV I said this.....”So for sure that was the guy posting not some random pic lifted from the internet if so probably someone with some problems like other posters on here“
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tough guy issues!
 
RDL81 said:
Maybe or other issues plenty on here with them.....was there videos of him punching a pillow on that you tube channel
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no, just lifting big fckin weights and hitting the heavy bag
 
Jonny Ninja said:
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/ne...plitting-from-mark-breland-says-dillian-whyte

Didn’t Whyte split with his long term trainer right before the povetkin fight?



Unless he’s giving advice, best not to chip in on this subject!
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Exactly! Povetkin must of given him CTE. Another great point. Lots of negatively for Wilder for doing this when a certain someone's idol did the same thing.
Hell
4 of the top heavies have switched trainers recently...5 if you count the hottest prospects in there too.
 
revoltub said:
Arnold respected those curls.
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maybe not but that's pretty good, maybe i'm easy to impress though, i've always been frustrated with my strength and could only get so far with it, i've only pressed 200 a couple times and i'm sure i worked harder than most guys who can do more, curls i fare a little better, I can curl about 100 with a barbell with good form and maybe 120 if i cheat, i can squat about 250 which strangely, is the only lift i dramatically improved on since i was young, maybe it's because i got fat and heavier and my legs got stronger.
 
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Jonny Ninja said:
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/ne...plitting-from-mark-breland-says-dillian-whyte

Didn’t Whyte split with his long term trainer right before the povetkin fight?



Unless he’s giving advice, best not to chip in on this subject!
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Whyte split with his trainer at the start of lockdown as he drove (with dogs) straight to Portugal as it was being announced and pretty much has stayed there since.

Breland is well respected amongst a group of UK coaches and commentators whytes views echo what people said to me at the time when wilder was blaming him
 
mozfonky said:
maybe not but that's pretty good, maybe i'm easy to impress though, i've always been frustrated with my strength and could only get so far with it, i've only pressed 200 a couple times and i'm sure i worked harder than most guys who can do more, curls i fare a little better, I can curl about 100 with a barbell with good form and maybe 120 if i cheat, i can squat about 250 which strangely, is the only life i dramatically improved on since i was young, maybe it's because i got fat and heavier and my legs got stronger.
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***off topic***
Have you tried a dedicated progressive strength training program? That worked for me but then it didn’t carry over well into boxing as I felt slower and stiffer (same with hypertrophy programs though)
 
RDL81 said:
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Have you tried a dedicated progressive strength training program? That worked for me but then it didn’t carry over well into boxing as I felt slower and stiffer (same with hypertrophy programs though)
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i've tried everything outside of drugs. However, one of the main issues is, life never leaves me alone long enough to devote to training, I'm sure i'd be a little stronger if I was more consistent but I think I just have my limit like everyone else, no one works harder than me, no one. However, as much of a weakling as I feel, everyone I know thinks i'm hercules, never will get that. Is the average person that weak? Maybe.

as far as it hurting my skills, it never has, so maybe it's a blessing that I never got super muscular and strong. I never had a problem striking hard enough, not to brag. Seems those kinds of things are unrelated. Also, one thing for sure, larger muscles take more oxygen, not good for a fighter.
 
RDL81 said:
Whyte split with his trainer at the start of lockdown as he drove (with dogs) straight to Portugal as it was being announced and pretty much has stayed there since.

Breland is well respected amongst a group of UK coaches and commentators whytes views echo what people said to me at the time when wilder was blaming him
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I've said it several times, Breland knows his stuff, was taught by a slew of great teachers, so it's not that, it's his personality, soft, low key, dispassionate. The knowledge means nothing if you can't impart it, the reason great fighters never make great trainers is because they get frustrated working with lesser talents than themselves and that they need to be the star. Trainers are a different breed but it's the same in other fields, I was watching a docu on the great musician, lalo schifrin, and in an interview he was asked if he ever thought of teaching, considering all of his knowledge and he said no and how teaching was a totally seperate skill that is taught separately from being a musician. I think it's true. It's the same in martial arts/mma, I've seen some trainers who really shouldn't be there, i don't care how much success they have, you aren't doing your job when you're constantly competing with your fighter, you're only hurting the both of you really and are too stupid to see it.

with breland, i just think he's too detached, same problem he often had in the ring.
 
mozfonky said:
i've tried everything outside of drugs. However, one of the main issues is, life never leaves me alone long enough to devote to training, I'm sure i'd be a little stronger if I was more consistent but I think I just have my limit like everyone else, no one works harder than me, no one. However, as much of a weakling as I feel, everyone I know thinks i'm hercules, never will get that. Is the average person that weak? Maybe.

as far as it hurting my skills, it never has, so maybe it's a blessing that I never got super muscular and strong. I never had a problem striking hard enough, not to brag. Seems those kinds of things are unrelated. Also, one thing for sure, larger muscles take more oxygen, not good for a fighter.
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Consistency is key for sure I followed Jim wendler 531 for while made good strength gains and no thinking needed
 
Yeah I saw this the other day. Wilder getting rid of the only guy in that camp that seems to have his head on straight. I guess Wilder figures if he gets mugged like that again he might as well just die.
 
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Shoemaker said:
Yeah I saw this the other day. Wilder getting rid of the only guys in that camp that seems to have his head on straight. I guess Wilder figures if he gets mugged like that again he might as well just die.
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no one likes losing, especially like that. Even the great, gentlemanly Alexis Arguello turned on his trainer, Eddie Futch, after the Pryor fight. Different era, the media always sided with the trainers and Arguello was forced to recant. Carmen Basilio told his cornermen that if they stopped on of the Sugar Ray fights that they better be out of town before he got out of the ring. But usually, fighters respect the men the give responsibility to. Joe Frazier never publicly said anything negative about Eddie Futch for stopping the Ali fight but it's been said that behind the scenes he never forgave him, don't know how true that is. Then we have cases where fighters try to look brave but really want out, like Hector Camacho Jr. who quit against Jesse James Leija claiming to the doctor that his vision was blurry. Or Pernell Whitaker who quit in his last fight but was talking all brave "I still got a jab" then quitting seconds later.
 
mozfonky said:
no one likes losing, especially like that. Even the great, gentlemanly Alexis Arguello turned on his trainer, Eddie Futch, after the Pryor fight. Different era, the media always sided with the trainers and Arguello was forced to recant. Carmen Basilio told his cornermen that if they stopped on of the Sugar Ray fights that they better be out of town before he got out of the ring. But usually, fighters respect the men the give responsibility to. Joe Frazier never publicly said anything negative about Eddie Futch for stopping the Ali fight but it's been said that behind the scenes he never forgave him, don't know how true that is. Then we have cases where fighters try to look brave but really want out, like Hector Camacho Jr. who quit against Jesse James Leija claiming to the doctor that his vision was blurry. Or Pernell Whitaker who quit in his last fight but was talking all brave "I still got a jab" then quitting seconds later.
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Common tale, for sure. Lemieux is another recent example; splitting with Anber when it was David's lack of focus and admiration with his punch that was the core problem.
 
WklySportsMemes said:
Somethings for a lot of you know it alls to consider...
-99% of you are not professional fighters and were never close to being one. The mindset of a world champion pro athlete is not that of an average Sherdog poster. Especially for the biggest and baddest title in all of sports. Its winning over all and potentially giving your life for it.
-Wilder had already taken back Breland allegedly
-You don't know Mark Breland. Youtube clips and interviews or old highlight footage dont give you insight into who and how he was as a trainer. Could of been great, could of been MEH.
- You have zero idea what when on in their training camp and who was responsible for what
-The same critics of Wilder's unorthodoxed style and low skill level should be happy hes making changes to his team if they think his fundamentals suck so bad.
-Fury was able to come back better and improve with multiple new trainers at similar age and just as many miles , if not more.
- Reminds me of people giving Danny Jacobs shit for dumping Rosier. When the truth was the trainer had litterally missed camp for the biggest name and fight they ever had.
-Wilder is the boss of his team if he wants to go out on his shield and get knocked out IN A SPORT ABOUT KNOCKOUTS its not really that outrageous of a request. Wilder was not competitive and he was getting beat up but it was not the life threatening beating many of you try to softly make it out to be. If you dont want or like a good knock,out why watch boxing?

Sounds like their is more to the story yet again....
"There hasn't been wholesale changes," said Finkel, who actually managed Breland during his pro career. "And without going into details no one knows what goes on in our camp weekly and monthly and before the fight. And no one knows if this change came about from that one fight, or there were some other things, and the culmination was the loss."
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A lot of what you said is true but you don't think Wilder's life was in jeopardy?

 
WklySportsMemes said:
Are ruptured ear drums deadly Dr....????
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@Quacky Chan come on wilder was fine it was just a little blood from the ear, it doesn’t matter that he could barely stand and that his head was getting rocked all over the place he was about to land that KILLAR right hand any second before a rouge member of his team shamefully threw in the towel.
 
It's all in the timing. Sure, I'm not in there, but timing matters. If he did it another time, fine, but it seems like he is blaming Breland for his loss. I read his interviews and even though there has been time elapsed since his loss, the blame is there. By ditching Breland, he no longer has the reason for his first loss.
 
deucesarewild said:
It's all in the timing. Sure, I'm not in there, but timing matters. If he did it another time, fine, but it seems like he is blaming Breland for his loss. I read his interviews and even though there has been time elapsed since his loss, the blame is there. By ditching Breland, he no longer has the reason for his first loss.
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In wilders mind it was everyone else’s fault but his own the towel, the costume, fury’s gloves he can’t accept that HE has lost and his management are probably feeding that belief as well. Breland is just the unfortunate casualty along with the costume designer
 
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