Why people say Wrestling is easier to learn than Judo?

[jclaudevandamme]

Judo has more techniques than Wrestling. If it exists in Wrestling you can perform it in an opponent with a Gi. The reverse is not true as many Gi dependent techniques cannot be performed in an opponent without a Gi.


Wrestling is full of positional techniques. A supplex done with your opponent on his front or his back is two different positions but the same attack theoretically.

 

[HIMBOB]

I think Wrestling is "easy" in the same way boxing is viewed as "easy".

In that to be able to get it to a basic level you need to be really fit and have learned the basics. Of course the range from there and up is huge.

Judo however takes longer to get to a basic level.

 

[td82394]

It's more intellectual, so there's a higher learning curve.

 

[eembach]

Judo has more techniques but I dont think anyone has said wrestling is easier to learn.

And pretty much all wrestlers that Ive trained with dont use shoulder throws, trips, or koshi guruma.

Your wrong, you just think your anecdotal evidence is a reflection of the whole, and it's not. Judo does not have more techniques and wrestling is significantly older than Judo by a long shot. Judo was formally developed 200ish years ago. Wrestling is fucking 15,000 years old!

 

[WrestlingJudo]

Oh look another thread to shit on a grappling style and establish which one is better. Both wrestling and judo have complexity in different aspects. Wrestling is not "easier" nor have I ever heard the case. By saying that, you encourage the misconception that wrestling is for athletic meatheads. Fuck off with that shit. Because some pudgy judoka is owned by a decent wrestler does not mean that wrestling is effective because of the fitness of its practitioners.

 

[deadlizard]

I've never heard anyone say that.

This.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Your wrong, you just think your anecdotal evidence is a reflection of the whole, and it's not. Judo does not have more techniques and wrestling is significantly older than Judo by a long shot. Judo was formally developed 200ish years ago. Wrestling is fucking 15,000 years old!

Stupid argument.

If by wrestling you mean "every fvking grappling/wrestling/grabbing move thats ever existed since the dawn of time" then yes you are correct, but then judo would exist under that umbrella and there would be no argument.

Im pretty sure when most people are talking about wrestling in MMA they are talking about the most commonly represented variant of free/folkstyle, not Egyptian wrestling or Mongolian wrestling or antyhing else, and judo has more techniques than that.

 

[Tlocke17**]

I personally think wrestling is a bit easier to learn just because without the gi, you have less factors at play.

Also, wrestling techniques are easier to learn for me (which doesn't mean wrestling is "easier" in itself, don't get me wrong). Double or single legs are relatively simple to execute. A basic judo technique like O-uchigari requires a lot more coordination, if only for the fact you're balancing on one foot.

This makes the most sense, ppl don't realize someone times how big of a part the Gi really plays, Just like in Jiu jitsu, People that train in Gi have a easier time going to No Gi then the opposite way around because there's so much more you can do with a Gi on

 

[Kid Sampson]

Your wrong, you just think your anecdotal evidence is a reflection of the whole, and it's not. Judo does not have more techniques and wrestling is significantly older than Judo by a long shot. Judo was formally developed 200ish years ago. Wrestling is fucking 15,000 years old!

Umm you seem to have forgotten that Kano standardized something called a Judogi.

Said Judogi allows for the application of techniques that do not exist in any form of wrestling. Please do tell about the last time you saw somebody get "bow and arrowed" at the NCAA finals.

Yeah... that's what I thought.

Aside from that, besided CACC, no popular modern forms of wrestling allow for the application of submissions. So you're pretty fucking wrong on all fronts...

 

[ChainFlow]

Umm you seem to have forgotten that Kano standardized something called a Judogi.

Said Judogi allows for the application of techniques that do not exist in any form of wrestling. Please do tell about the last time you saw somebody get "bow and arrowed" at the NCAA finals.

Yeah... that's what I thought.

Chidaoba. Cornish wrestling. Kurash. Collar-and-elbow. Cumbrian wrestling. Gouren. Shuai Jiao. Other styles.

Sorry, the judogi brings nothing to the table that was not already present in other wrestling styles.

Aside from that, besided CACC, no popular modern forms of wrestling allow for the application of submissions. So you're pretty fucking wrong on all fronts...

Shooto, CACC, and combat wrestling are pretty damn important, considering they sprung from the same base art which also begat Olympic Freestyle. Hardly worth a "beside[d]"

Also, Judo was formally instituted around the turn of the century, often pegged at about 1882. Wrestling was already a well-developed sport, or rather group of related sports, at that point in time in the west. Some of which, such as variants of pehlwani, already included submissions (possibly due to lingering influence from greek pales, who knows). And of course Lancashire and CACC had submissions depending on the rules of the bout in question.

 

[RHJohnson]

I've got some experience in both and I would liken it to no gI vs gi. Take a guy of three streets and he will pick up no gi faster but that doesn't mean no gI is really any easier then gi.

 

[Einarr]

It's easier to get by on strength, speed and explosiveness in wrestling than in Judo. If you shoot sloppily on someone in Judo then you're getting choked*, in wrestling you might get reversed but that's it. At high levels they both require great skill and athleticism.

* I know shooting, at least as a primary attack, is now illegal under IJF competition rules but IJF rules =/= Judo.

 

[Kid Sampson]

Chidaoba. Cornish wrestling. Kurash. Collar-and-elbow. Cumbrian wrestling. Gouren. Shuai Jiao. Other styles.

Sorry, the judogi brings nothing to the table that was not already present in other wrestling styles.


Shooto, CACC, and combat wrestling are pretty damn important, considering they sprung from the same base art which also begat Olympic Freestyle. Hardly worth a "beside[d]"

Also, Judo was formally instituted around the turn of the century, often pegged at about 1882. Wrestling was already a well-developed sport, or rather group of related sports, at that point in time in the west. Some of which, such as variants of pehlwani, already included submissions (possibly due to lingering influence from greek pales, who knows). And of course Lancashire and CACC had submissions depending on the rules of the bout in question.

Shooto is pretty much a form of MMA, which has its roots in Judo, Sambo, Catch etc etc.

Like others have implied, when you talk about "wrestling", we think you're reffering to Greco-Roman/Folk/Free-Style.

 

[dingoplata]

The troll lives under the bridge

 

[PointyShinyBurn]

There's a lot of combatively relevant technique that exists in free/folkstyle wrestling but not Judo. Snap-downs to a front head-lock and every attack/defence from there spring to mind.

 

[netbjjer420]

I have heard people say that wrestling is easier to learn than judo, but only from guys with a BJJ background.

 

[black koala]

Maybe they tried both? Maybe they are trolling a mma forum?

 

[Carrera26]

I think that the first steps in wrestling are closer to instinct than the first steps in Judo. The wrestler's stance is the first thing that every first-day Judoka, Wrestler, BJJer, etc etc. does for instance, and not only that but if you told 2 12 year olds with no training to grab the other one and get them on the ground you would see 2 kids leaned forward with bent legs and their hands up.

As has been discussed before ad-nauseum this is terrible for jacket grappling but fairly necessary for no-gi. It takes so... much... time... to break new Judoka of this habit and re-train them into the counter-intuitive upright stance, being supple and relaxed, etc.

That said one isn't harder than the other, but like other said it's the learning curve.

 

[eembach]

Shooto is pretty much a form of MMA, which has its roots in Judo, Sambo, Catch etc etc.

Like others have implied, when you talk about "wrestling", we think you're reffering to Greco-Roman/Folk/Free-Style.

Yeah well when you talk about Judo I think about two guys slapping at eachother and kicking eachothers feet, but that doesn't mean that's what Judo is. You can artificially confine wrestling to your narrow experience and understanding but that's not what wrestling is.

Judo and wrestling are essentially the same thing expressed in different ways.

 

[Ryo]

Your wrong, you just think your anecdotal evidence is a reflection of the whole, and it's not. Judo does not have more techniques and wrestling is significantly older than Judo by a long shot. Judo was formally developed 200ish years ago. Wrestling is fucking 15,000 years old!

Dumbest argument ever.... almost as dumb as the "Jiu-Jitsu came from India... who learned their MA's from the Greeks who learned their shit from the Egyptians...etc" waaahhh... Retarded.

Wrestling is not older then Judo. Wrestling as we know it today developed around the same time. There is no unbroken lineage of wrestling that spans back thousands or years... or even hundreds of years for that matter. The Japanese Koryu Jujutsu are the only unbroken lineages that i can think of that go back more then a couple hundred years.