Why nobody talks about adesanya biggest weakness?

[Bork Neslar]

You're talking about it.

 

[Lee_]

Really hatin' on Izzy, huh? For one thing Jan didn't "stop him." For another, Jan won by being bigger and laying on him. Let's not forget that Alex's leg kicks didn't do him any good in the end.

Jan is not near the caliber of LHW that Izzy is at MW; obviously he is not a more skilled fighter.

 

[JumJum]

Well there you have it. Izzy does know how to defend, he is making a tactical decision (for better or worse) in the fight. That's not the same thing as having terrible defence.
Dustin Poirier had to make similar tactical decisions when fighting Justin Gaethje and taking leg kicks from him. Gaethje's threat of calf kicks and inside/outside leg kicks preceded him but Poirier focused on boxing offence and sacrificed his leg kick defence as a result. He won the fight by TKO. Adesanya won his fight by KO.

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Even he still got hit you can protect your leg and head at the same time. There is also something called counter so you might let yourself get some strikes in order to strike back harder. Something that Adesanya use often. Yet it's terrible defence when it's causing you to lose the fight. I don't say that Adesanya is bad fighter. I say it's a hole. Many of the leg kicks Adesanya ate he didn't do because he wanted to ignore them as he do take his leg back sometimes. But again he isn't lift his leg for whatever reason which could really help him.

 

[AmonTobin]

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Even he still got hit you can protect your leg and head at the same time. There is also something called counter so you might let yourself get some strikes in order to strike back harder. Something that Adesanya use often. Yet it's terrible defence when it's causing you to lose the fight. I don't say that Adesanya is bad fighter. I say it's a hole. Many of the leg kicks Adesanya ate he didn't do because he wanted to ignore them as he do take his leg back sometimes but because he isn't fadt enough to lift his leg

It's not a hole though. Izzy immediately and consistently returning fire in the leg kick battle was the bigger problem. His "payback" leg kicks were predictable, so Pereira would know when to check them each time. Basically Pereira was goading Adesanya into a losing leg kick battle. Adesanya did not do the same thing in the rematch. He was much more aggressive (walking Alex down instead of retreating and circling against the cage) and laid traps of his own. He won by KO.

 

[JumJum]

It's not a hole though. Izzy immediately and consistently returning fire in the leg kick battle was the bigger problem. His "payback" leg kicks were predictable, so Pereira would know when to check them each time. Basically Pereira was goading Adesanya into a losing leg kick battle. Adesanya did not do the same thing in the rematch. He was much more aggressive and laid traps of his own. He won by KO.

http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/fe143cb868adfded
Even in their rematch you can see he lost in the leg kicks exchanges. Winning doesn't means you fought perfect.
But hey at least you confessed that he didn't used his leg kicks good enough. That's also similar weakness to jones tough. Both have an amazing offensive leg kicks but bad at its defensive aspect.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

Chimaev would drop him on his head using 0 leg kicks.

 

[AmonTobin]

http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/fe143cb868adfded
Even in their rematch you can see he lost in the leg kicks exchanges. Winning doesn't means you fought perfect.
But hey at least you confessed that he didn't used his leg kicks good enough. That's also similar weakness to jones tough. Both have an amazing offensive leg kicks but bad at its defensive aspect.

New Flash: everyone has a weakness to leg kicks. They hurt and cripple. By your high standards, only fighters who break someone's leg with a leg check have good defence.
Where do you rank Poirier? He broke McGregor's leg by checking the kick and yet he let Gaethje kick the shit out of his legs. What a conundrum that must be for you.

 

[AmonTobin]

Chimaev would drop him on his head using 0 leg kicks.

Yes if we're looking for weaknesses I'd fathom a guess it would be wrestling, not kicks (smh).

 

[drbolony]

I think TS is being cunty, but it's a fair discussion to have nonetheless. Idk what everyone is all defensive about outside of his tone.

I think his leg kick defense is far from his biggest weakness, Alex Perriera is just a great leg kicker. Obviously Jan is too, he's known for being pretty slow, bit his eye for leg kicks is something else. It catches you by surprise. His true biggest weakness is obviously the fluidity of his positional grappling and his takedowns. His TDD is top notch though.

I think the biggest weakness in his striking will come as a surprise, especially because of the result of his latest win, but it's his punching. He's accurate and has good awareness, but they're a bit robotic, his hook technique is off. He's got a several different nice jabs though. He doesn't always retract his hand back immediately to protect his chin. I think if he polished this up with a boxing trainer he'd be even more dangerous with fluid combos and would be more defensively sound in the pocket. Surprisingly enough, some of his most effective punches are the ones he throws in unorthodox positions (like the lean back punches he did against Whittaker), I'm not talking about those, he obviously picks his spots and sets traps with those. I'm talking about stuff like this:

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

because they're afraid to get grabbed by Jones and afraid of a counter punch from Adesanya

Dont think more needs to be said on this subject. Nailed it.

 

[AmonTobin]

I think TS is being cunty, but it's a fair discussion to have nonetheless. Idk what everyone is all defensive about outside of his tone.

I think his leg kick defense is far from his biggest weakness, Alex Perriera is just a great leg kicker. Obviously Jan is too, he's known for being pretty slow, bit his eye for leg kicks is something else. It catches you by surprise. His true biggest weakness is obviously the fluidity of his positional grappling and his takedowns. His TDD is top notch though.

I think the biggest weakness in his striking will come as a surprise, especially because of the result of his latest win, but it's his punching. He's accurate and has good awareness, but they're a bit robotic, his hook technique is off. He's got a several different nice jabs though. He doesn't always retract his hand back immediately to protect his chin. I think if he polished this up with a boxing trainer he'd be even more dangerous with fluid combos and would be more defensively sound in the pocket. Surprisingly enough, some of his most effective punches are the ones he throws in unorthodox positions (like the lean back punches he did against Whittaker), I'm not talking about those, he obviously picks his spots and sets traps with those. I'm talking about stuff like this:

Ya maybe I'm just reading that reaction wrong, but when Izzy turns his left leg in, from Pereira's outside leg kick, the one where Rogan says "that one hurt him, that one hurt him". It looked to me like Izzy had already taken weight off of it in anticipation, and had already begun rolling with it. His reaction looked suspicious to me. I read it as a purposeful overreaction. And it just so happens that the rest of the sequence onward from there, is "wounded" Izzy leading him into the fight ending sequence. Which we now know he drilled over and over. I think this was all planned. From the hurt leg to the hands over the face on the fence, to the KO. I'm not sure if Izzy has talked about that leg kick and said exactly what went on.

 

[drbolony]

Ya maybe I'm just reading that reaction wrong, but when Izzy turns his left leg in, from Pereira's outside leg kick, the one where Rogan says "that one hurt him, that one hurt him". It looked to me like Izzy had already taken weight off of it in anticipation, and had already begun rolling with it. His reaction looked suspicious to me. I read it as a purposeful overreaction. And it just so happens that the rest of the sequence onward from there, is "wounded" Izzy leading him into the fight ending sequence. Which we now know he drilled over and over. I think this was all planned. From the hurt leg to the hands over the face on the fence, to the KO. I'm not sure if Izzy has talked about that leg kick and said exactly what went on.

I'm sorry man, I'm truly not being cunty, I just don't have a clue what you're responding to

 

[AmonTobin]

I'm sorry man, I'm truly not being cunty, I just don't have a clue what you're responding to

Lol. Sorry I got sidetracked watching your link. I agree with what you're saying. I was just commenting on a particular part of the fight that involves a fateful leg kick from Pereira.

 

[JumJum]

New Flash: everyone has a weakness to leg kicks. They hurt and cripple. By your high standards, only fighters who break someone's leg with a leg check have good defence.
Where do you rank Poirier? He broke McGregor's leg by checking the kick and yet he let Gaethje kick the shit out of his legs. What a conundrum that must be for you.

Lol i said that Adesanya eat most of them. You wanna example of someone with really good leg kick defense? Aldo. Adesanya move his leg back sometimes at best.
Also poirier barely checked mcgregor kicks as well. Actually mcgregor leg broke because he kicked him with the end of his shin and then immediately put all of his weight on it, Poirier didn't even do anything. Kinda like an own goal in soccer

 

[drbolony]

Lol. Sorry I got sidetracked watching your link. I agree with what you're saying. I was just commenting on a particular part of the fight that involves a fateful leg kick from Pereira.

Oh, for sure. Idk call me a fanboy, but I believe Israel. I'm sure Alex's leg kicks were adding up, I can see them. I just don't think Izzy was hurt at that point, he didn't have the same stutter step from the first fight.

Alex is a mother fucker with the leg kicks, Izzy told him in person post fight.

 

[AmonTobin]

Lol i said that Adesanya eat most of them. You wanna example of someone with really good leg kick defense? Aldo. Adesanya move his leg back sometimes at best.
Also poirier barely checked mcgregor kicks as well. Actually mcgregor leg broke because he kicked him with the end of his shin and then immediately put all of his weight on it, Poirier didn't even do anything. Kinda like an own goal in soccer

Yes sorry I misspoke. He broke it himself. I thought Poirier had checked a kick right before that.

 

[DelanoRunnymede]

Yeah, it's tough to break someone down with kicks from the outside when your kicking distance is still inside their punching range because of 80in and 84.5in reaches. Also Izzy and Jones are constantly kicking themselves and like to break their opponents rhythms.

Exactly this.

 

[Sticko]

I disagree. I think Adesanya took this challenge overconfident and underprepared. There's no evidence that Jan has higher fight IQ.
Izzy fought Costa at 185lbs, Sept.27, 2020. Fought Blachowicz at 205lbs, March 6, 2021. Fought Vetorri (3 months later) at 185lbs. Do you really think he prepped properly for this match? The size was a problem. If you were really paying attention and not listening to Master Sensei beard kid, you'd see Izzy keeps improving and learning from mistakes. Adesanya beats Jan in a rematch.

I agree that the size was a problem. I wouldn't say Izzy was unprepared for the fight; he purposely chose not to bulk up for it (which may not have been feasible to do in 6 months, idk).

I think Izzy thought his skill was going to be be enough to overcome the size difference and it was not.

 

[trenton123]

The guy with the best headmovement ever in the UFC and overall fantastic defense have terrible leg kick defense. It's how both Pereira and Jan were able to stop him. Even in his kickboxing career he rarely lifted his legs and perfect leg kick check will stop your opponent from doing it, just ask Weidman.

"Best head movement ever" is this a Silva thread or an Izzy thread?