Why is there still no complete grappling system or martial art?

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Everyone knows that the dominant grappling art is dominant wrestling combined with BJJ. Wrestlers get subbed. BJJers dominate the ground but can't get the fight there.

Camps like AKA are training the right the way. However, there's still no formal competition system where what AKA trains is competed in.

I think this a HUGE, HUGE problem. At all but the top camps, everyone is training shit grappling and those at the top camps can't compete what they're training in except for in damaging MMA fights.

I love Eddie Bravo's new sub grappling competition rules that encourage finishes and aggressive grappling. The traditional competition rules are just so bad -- they encourage neither finishes, aggression, nor do they force you to learn proficient takedowns.

It shouldn't be possible to win grappling competitions without having great takedowns. At the world class level, you should be forced to have world class takedowns, no way around it.

Why can't there a rule system that both encourages finishes AND takedowns? A set of rules that allows for competition in what people are training to use in MMA fights?
 
ummm...most standard no gi grappling tournaments reward points for takedowns and positions. NAGA for example gives you 2 points for a takedown where you also establish top position. 1 point if you get the takedown but don't establish position.
Everywhere I've ever trained that does no gi focuses on all aspects of grappling. It's pretty standard.
 
superpunch said:
Everyone knows that the dominant grappling art is dominant wrestling combined with BJJ. Wrestlers get subbed. BJJers dominate the ground but can't get the fight there.

Camps like AKA are training the right the way. However, there's still no formal competition system where what AKA trains is competed in.

I think this a HUGE, HUGE problem. At all but the top camps, everyone is training shit grappling and those at the top camps can't compete what they're training in except for in damaging MMA fights.

I love Eddie Bravo's new sub grappling competition rules that encourage finishes and aggressive grappling. The traditional competition rules are just so bad -- they encourage neither finishes, aggression, nor do they force you to learn proficient takedowns.

It shouldn't be possible to win grappling competitions without having great takedowns. At the world class level, you should be forced to have world class takedowns, no way around it.

Why can't there a rule system that both encourages finishes AND takedowns? A set of rules that allows for competition in what people are training to use in MMA fights?
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There needs to be a system that combines the rules system of Wrestling and BJJ.

Three 2 Minute Periods/ Rounds:
1st period starts in Neutral/ Standing
2nd and 3rd period start in either top gaurd, bottom guard, or neutral depending on coin flip
2 pts takedown
2 pts reversal/ sweep
1 pt for escape to neutral
1 pt for passing gaurd
2 pts for mount or back mount
1 pt for each minute of top control

Match Ends Immediately in event of submission
 
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Submission Only Grappling Tournaments are the only thing I can think of that would help.

Maybe the UFC could try and have a Premier Grappling Submission Only Event kind of like Polaris/Metamoris where Catch Wrestling, BJJ, Sambo and Judo guys could compete at.
 
As soon as you take out striking, you fundamentally change the way people are going to approach grappling. Therefore you cannot recreate this in a strictly grappling environment.
 
superpunch said:
Everyone knows that the dominant grappling art is dominant wrestling combined with BJJ. Wrestlers get subbed. BJJers dominate the ground but can't get the fight there.

Camps like AKA are training the right the way. However, there's still no formal competition system where what AKA trains is competed in.

I think this a HUGE, HUGE problem. At all but the top camps, everyone is training shit grappling and those at the top camps can't compete what they're training in except for in damaging MMA fights.

I love Eddie Bravo's new sub grappling competition rules that encourage finishes and aggressive grappling. The traditional competition rules are just so bad -- they encourage neither finishes, aggression, nor do they force you to learn proficient takedowns.

It shouldn't be possible to win grappling competitions without having great takedowns. At the world class level, you should be forced to have world class takedowns, no way around it.

Why can't there a rule system that both encourages finishes AND takedowns? A set of rules that allows for competition in what people are training to use in MMA fights?
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There are plenty. Sambo includes elements of Judo, wrassling and some leglocks are thrown in for good measure. There are also plenty of offshoots like Combat Wrestling (which is relatively unkown, but just one of many styles).
We'll get there.

P.S: Fook grappling. Stand and bang. Lemme bang brah
 
Whatever Khabib is doing is the grappling system MMA needs. Grappling is to get the opponent to the ground so you can submit or smash. It is not to lay-n-pray on the opponent. Leave that lay-n-praying to the WWE and College wrestling.

In professional MMA, you either submit or smash. Anything less should be unacceptable.
 
I mean most BJJ places today will teach you all of the same stuff that is in wrestling. There is a huge difference though in knowing the moves and all the tricks of the trade, and drilling them day in and day out. That nose to the grindstone mentality wrestling training uses is what makes them so good at it.
 
I went to Barcelona to watch adcc a few years ago and kinda just wanted to take it in and shout support for braulio estema. Who I have tapped too..lol.
But at times it was boring with stalemates and folks not wanting to lose rather than going for the win..
Eddie bravo is on the right track for sure..
 
superpunch said:
Everyone knows that the dominant grappling art is dominant wrestling combined with BJJ. Wrestlers get subbed. BJJers dominate the ground but can't get the fight there.

Camps like AKA are training the right the way. However, there's still no formal competition system where what AKA trains is competed in.

I think this a HUGE, HUGE problem. At all but the top camps, everyone is training shit grappling and those at the top camps can't compete what they're training in except for in damaging MMA fights.

I love Eddie Bravo's new sub grappling competition rules that encourage finishes and aggressive grappling. The traditional competition rules are just so bad -- they encourage neither finishes, aggression, nor do they force you to learn proficient takedowns.

It shouldn't be possible to win grappling competitions without having great takedowns. At the world class level, you should be forced to have world class takedowns, no way around it.

Why can't there a rule system that both encourages finishes AND takedowns? A set of rules that allows for competition in what people are training to use in MMA fights?
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Why all this focus on takedowns

I have some very decent techniques where I pull guard and I already have a sweep set up in my pull guard. I have a huge chance of ending on top within 5 or 10 seconds.

Even if it's just a basic pull guard, if you get the guard with good grips and a broken posture, I'll take that over most takedowns where it's a scramble and you have a good chance of being stuck in half guard
 
gracie jiu jitsu is more complete for self defense than the new stuff even though that is a huge on going debate in the bjj community right now. Combat Sambo is definitely a complete martial art. You could put the top combat sambo guys in a mma setting and they will do fine.
 
We are all waiting for you to create one.
 
Combat Sambo is freakin awesome and I wish it had been around when I was in High School. I don't know that it is particularly well fleshed out though. It looks like there is still a lot for them to learn when they move on to MMA
 
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