Why is child birth 100% a woman's choice?

[freakyfarley]

i am pro choice even though im morally opposed to abortion


i just think if women are able to have abortions, then men should be able to opt out of parenting too. for example, a man could serve her with a notice saying he waives all rights to the child, and be free from child support payments and responsibilities, should the woman carry out the pregnancy. If women can force men to be fathers after they want the baby aborted, then men should be able to block the abortion if they want to be fathers.

Just pay for your kids you deadbeat

 

[freakyfarley]

If having or not having a child is the womans choice then, the father shouldn't have to pay any child support if he does not want to have the kid.

But of course that is way too logical for our idiotic world to fathom.

You should get neutered

 

[Fawlty]

I vote for whatever option costs taxpayers less.

Then you want state-funded birth control and abortion services.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Then you want state-funded birth control and abortion services.

yes, generally the most cost saving idea - 160-600 per year per woman for the pill plus whatever an abortion goes for.

with caveats in place.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

Because men are stronger than women, mentally and physically. This means we must sometimes accept the short end of the stick, and we should do do with dignity. Man the fuck up.

 

[Toastytoy]

it should be her decision since it is her body, however there should be no child support laws.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

I think those three attributes describe men more accurately than they do women, or at least the first and the last.

How so?
Men were reliable enough to build a civilization that could allow for gender equality, and unselfish enough to grant that equality.
Most of our bloodthirstiness could be explained as the method by which we achieved those and other things.
Women get a bit of power/influence/equality, and they're suddenly consumed with the desire to slut out, kill babies, and not build civilizations.

Even when it comes to bloodthirstiness, other than Florence Nightengale, how many female historical figures of relevance were not violent, or at least sympathetic enablers of violence?

It's not their fault, but women are the devil.

I am being somewhat facetious.
Only somewhat, though. The internet just magnifies my sexism, it does not fabricate it

 

[rpn453]

False equivalence. In one instance you're preventing a life from shaping. In the other, you're robbing a life that is shaping of a father, which isn't good for the child or society.

I'm obviously coming at this from a much different perspective. I believe that I would have been better off having no contact with my father. I can't say for sure that I would have been raised better had I split time between my parents instead of growing up in a home where they despised each other but "stayed together for the kids", but I don't see how his influence would have benefited me.

Likewise, my closest friend had what sounds like a similar father. But since his father killed himself when my friend's younger brother was still a baby, that brother received far less influence from the father. So my friend is like me and has never had a truly functional relationship and may never intentionally reproduce, while his brother is better adjusted and has a good wife and children in a dedicated family environment. His mother and grandparents did a fine job of raising him.

Since I am so similar to my father, if I were to father my own child, I think that child would be better off without my presence. Hopefully the situation never arises, but I'm not about to change one of my few pleasures in life - my slutty ways - just because some crazy chick might actually want to bring my offspring into this world. I suppose I could get a vasectomy, but it really doesn't benefit me to go through the process and risk any side effects. It has been so many years since I put any effort into this life that there are no personal consequences left if it happens.

It's kind of funny. In my younger, productive days, I feared impregnating women because I didn't want to ruin my life with child support payments. But I couldn't get a vasectomy because I thought it possible that I may want a family someday. So I was careful and avoided getting involved with any woman who might benefit from a pregnancy. Now that I'm well and truly unfit to raise a child, all that prudence is gone.

Would you really want me to replicate and then participate in shaping the future? How about all the men that are even dumber and more socially destructive than me? Would it be a terrible thing if a child were denied having one of them as a father?

 

[SammyPops]

Men have a choice, is called not busting in her vag.

 

[Grenz]

I'm obviously coming at this from a much different perspective. I believe that I would have been better off having no contact with my father. I can't say for sure that I would have been raised better had I split time between my parents instead of growing up in a home where they despised each other but "stayed together for the kids", but I don't see how his influence would have benefited me.

Likewise, my closest friend had what sounds like a similar father. But since his father killed himself when my friend's younger brother was still a baby, that brother received far less influence from the father. So my friend is like me and has never had a truly functional relationship and may never intentionally reproduce, while his brother is better adjusted and has a good wife and children in a dedicated family environment. His mother and grandparents did a fine job of raising him.

Since I am so similar to my father, if I were to father my own child, I think that child would be better off without my presence. Hopefully the situation never arises, but I'm not about to change one of my few pleasures in life - my slutty ways - just because some crazy chick might actually want to bring my offspring into this world. I suppose I could get a vasectomy, but it really doesn't benefit me to go through the process and risk any side effects. It has been so many years since I put any effort into this life that there are no personal consequences left if it happens.

It's kind of funny. In my younger, productive days, I feared impregnating women because I didn't want to ruin my life with child support payments. But I couldn't get a vasectomy because I thought it possible that I may want a family someday. So I was careful and avoided getting involved with any woman who might benefit from a pregnancy. Now that I'm well and truly unfit to raise a child, all that prudence is gone.

Would you really want me to replicate and then participate in shaping the future? How about all the men that are even dumber and more socially destructive than me? Would it be a terrible thing if a child were denied having one of them as a father?

Probably should have worded that better. I still think in the majority of cases, it's better for the father to have some sort of presence in the child's life, but I acknowledge that some people simply won't play a positive role. That said, I think in 100% of all cases, it's better if the father pays child support. It's a moral obligation as far as I'm concerned, and there should be legal ramifications if you don't do it.

Keep in mind that my post was originally in response to the suggestion that a father to be should be able to absolve himself of all parental responsibilities if he wants the woman to have an abortion, but she doesn't.

 

[Simian Raticus]

We all know how babies are made. If you don't want kids then get snipped or wrap up your little weenis.

If you unintentionally get some chick up the duff then man up, own your fuck up and take care of your shit.

Lol that there are people who would openly advocate being a deadbeat pos.

Yeah, it's somewhat unfair that the woman alone gets to make the decision regarding abortion. But there is no other remotely reasonable way to resolve that question other than to give her control over her own body.

 

[Breakitdown]

Simply end child support from at a certain start date. There would be far more abortions which would make for a wonderful state of affairs.

 

[tdluxon]

I have always thought it was kinda weird that a woman can choose to have an abortion without the father having any say but if the father wants her to have an abortion that doesn't matter. Not sure how the best way to remedy the situation, maybe there could be some sort of "opt out " option to fathers. It's a weird question with no real answer but I think the father should have some say considering they're gonna be on the hook for 18 years.

Wear a condom I guess

 

[Deleted member 499399]

I have always thought it was kinda weird that a woman can choose to have an abortion without the father having any say but if the father wants her to have an abortion that doesn't matter. Not sure how the best way to remedy the situation, maybe there could be some sort of "opt out " option to fathers. It's a weird question with no real answer but I think the father should have some say considering they're gonna be on the hook for 18 years.

Wear a condom I guess

Do you think a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion?

 

[tdluxon]

Do you think a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion?

Hard punch to the stomach maybe?

Like I said, I don't know what the right solution is, I don't see any clear answer. I just know that if I found out tomorrow I was gonna be having a kid I would be fucking devastated, especially if it was with some chick I didn't want to be with. Considering it's a decision that is going to effect the rest of my life I'd like to have some say.

Don't knock up skanks I guess

 

[Deleted member 499399]

Hard punch to the stomach maybe?

Like I said, I don't know what the right solution is, I don't see any clear answer. I just know that if I found out tomorrow I was gonna be having a kid I would be fucking devastated, especially if it was with some chick I didn't want to be with. Considering it's a decision that is going to effect the rest of my life I'd like to have some say.

Don't knock up skanks I guess

You don't see a clear answer?
You either believe in forced abortions for men who don't want to be responsible for their own children or you don't.

 

[tdluxon]

You don't see a clear answer?
You either believe in forced abortions for men who don't want to be responsible for their own children or you don't.

Then yes, slut skanks can deal with their bastards on their own

 

[rpn453]

. . . That said, I think in 100% of all cases, it's better if the father pays child support. It's a moral obligation as far as I'm concerned, and there should be legal ramifications if you don't do it . . .

It's not better for the father who never wanted the child though, and I'm on his side, being the kind of asshole who would disown his own child before it's even born if the mother is not a woman that I would want to raise a family with. Just looking out for my own interests.

Regardless, the law is on your side. Maybe that's not a bad thing even for me. It made me careful when it mattered. Unfortunately, it does nothing to discourage those with nothing going for them from impregnating any woman they can. They will continue their evolutionary success.

 

[Islam Imamate]

How so?
Men were reliable enough to build a civilization that could allow for gender equality, and unselfish enough to grant that equality.
Most of our bloodthirstiness could be explained as the method by which we achieved those and other things.
Women get a bit of power/influence/equality, and they're suddenly consumed with the desire to slut out, kill babies, and not build civilizations.

Even when it comes to bloodthirstiness, other than Florence Nightengale, how many female historical figures of relevance were not violent, or at least sympathetic enablers of violence?

It's not their fault, but women are the devil.

I am being somewhat facetious.
Only somewhat, though. The internet just magnifies my sexism, it does not fabricate it

When it comes to being bloodthirsty, there's the fact that men commit the majority of the violence that has been committed by humankind and by a very wide margin.

As far as being unreliable, there's the prevalence of single mother households that would testify to that fact.

 

[Ol'Ironhead]

A lot of times these women getting loads shot into them are just dirty slutts / passed around pieces of meat. So it's not surprising that men often don't want to stick around supporting some whore that they never planned on staying with anyways. But then again that's their fault not wrapping it up on some hoe.