Why Is Anderson Silva's Power So Underrated Here?

[Natman2939]

a lot of people have already said it but it just seems like it's more his timing and accuracy that does it.

Everyone knows what a big power punch looks like and Silva just doesn't really throw those. The fact that he knocks people out with little jabs can either mean:

1: it is mostly about speed, precision, and timing.

or

2: he's basically shane carwin of the mw/lhw division (I seriously doubt that but I guess that's how you're looking at it OP)

As for the "if speed and accuracy were what it took, floyd mayweather would knock people out more" argument. Maybe his opponents have better defense? Maybe they don't give him as many openings as Silva's opponents give him?

Cause actually Floyd has knocked a few people out in very nice fashion (ricky hatton) when he caught them at the right time.

Think of it like Kimbo vs Seth --- Seth basically threw a jab and he did so on his back foot for fucks sakes.. but it was so accurate and kimbo was moving toward it that it did the job.

You don't need great power to get knockouts. Accuracy, timing, and speed can do it just as well.

Along with having those attributes, Anderson is one of the most well trained fighters the UFC has ever seen. Like when he throws leg kicks, he throws them perfectly, he makes his opponents entire hip turn every time he leg kicks them. NO ONE else in the ufc does that, not even Aldo.

That's just perfect technique. Well it's the same with a lot of his punches, Anderson's technique is just flawless

 

[anth0ny85]

mediocre power...nothing to see here.

 

[Natman2939]

My issue is one saying he does not have as much power as others with big KO ratio when he has shown to have power even on the ground or while holding a man's leg where accuracy and timing did not play a huge role.

Accuracy and timing compliments his power greatly. But he still have raw power in regards to being able to hurt an opponent with a punch from any position.

sorry but the incidents you're referring to, I think had more to do with speed and accuracy than power too.

when he hurt sonnen from the bottom, he did it with a lighting fast punch that came up real fast and in the right spot.

When he knocked down james irvin holding his leg, he hit him right on the button.

Everyone has a place on the jaw that if you hit them just right, they're done. Anderson seems to be a master of locating that place like a sharpshooter.

I'm not saying he doesn't have power. But firstly he doesn't really throw "powershots" secondly, he hasn't done many things (despite all his ko's) that would prove beyond a doubt that it was power rather than precision.

for example, people with amazing power tend to hurt people wherever they touch them. Anderson always hits on the exact right spot so we don't really know what would happen if he didn't.

 

[Roop Holstry]

And his power brother man.

His speed mang, his speed.


He ain't a power a puncher, but his speed, timing, and precision translates into power. He catches people as they are coming forward or as they're punching.

Examples: That muay thai fight, Griffin fight, Okami fight, and Irvin fight.

He doesn't try to throw with a lot of power often, watch his gnp vs marquardt. He carefully picks his shots and doesn't put everything into them.

Silva can pack a punch but he isn't your typical puncher. If punchers like Ellenberger and Hendricks could be as precise as Silva they would KO people by touching them.

 

[Power of Pain**]

sorry but the incidents you're referring to, I think had more to do with speed and accuracy than power too.

when he hurt sonnen from the bottom, he did it with a lighting fast punch that came up real fast and in the right spot.

When he knocked down james irvin holding his leg, he hit him right on the button.

Bro he hit Irvin on the cheek which gave him a cut looking like he got a sliced by Jason.

How is that "on the button"?

How many times we seen dudes get hit on the button or on the ground and not get hurt? To say Silva did not apply power when hurting Sonnen is makes no sense.

You have many that punch with quickness but does not get KOs. Silva was laying on the ground with weigh on him. Only other time I see anything like that was from a Pro Boxer in the early UFCs.

It was power.

Everyone has a place on the jaw that if you hit them just right, they're done. Anderson seems to be a master of locating that place like a sharpshooter.

Which is complimented by his power.

I'm not saying he doesn't have power. But firstly he doesn't really throw "powershots" secondly, he hasn't done many things (despite all his ko's) that would prove beyond a doubt that it was power rather than precision.

What is throwing a powershot? Have you go to a Boxing or MMA gym and was told this?

Those shots are fucking powershots dude.

for example, people with amazing power tend to hurt people wherever they touch them. Anderson always hits on the exact right spot so we don't really know what would happen if he didn't.

He touch a dude on the cheek and drop him while splitting his face open. Nuff said.

Mayweather is the most precise, accurate puncher in the world, but does not score as much KOs because he lacks power. You need power.

Silva is very precise but has power. Nick Diaz is very precise but needs more volume of punches because he does not have as much power.

 

[Power of Pain**]

His speed mang, his speed.


He ain't a power a puncher, but his speed, timing, and precision translates into power. He catches people as they are coming forward or as they're punching.

Examples: That muay thai fight, Griffin fight, Okami fight, and Irvin fight.

He doesn't try to throw with a lot of power often, watch his gnp vs marquardt. He carefully picks his shots and doesn't put everything into them.

Silva can pack a punch but he isn't your typical puncher. If punchers like Ellenberger and Hendricks could be as precise as Silva they would KO people by touching them.

Then Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather and James Toney all should have the highest KO ratio in Boxing, and I an talking about when compare to other Boxers who are not as precise or technical but have higher KOs.

You need power. It is beyond insane to say that only speed and technique gets you those KO. Only Brock Lesnar fans like yourself would think this because you judge ones power on how he looks like.

Mike Tyson was extremely fast and had great accuracy when he was in his prime. After he lost his speed and he was throwing more punches aimed just for KO and not for precision, he was still getting KO wins but not against higher quality opponents because they knew how to defend his more predictable and slower shots.

Silva has a combination of power and speed and technique. Without power he would just look like Nick Diaz who would be depending on a high volume of punches to hurt his opponent.

 

[Power of Pain**]

And yes, Anderson has power. Can he hurt his opponents more with a hook rather than his straight, probably not.

He knocked a dude out in a Pro Boxing match with a hook to the body. Imagine now without the 10 ounce gloves and to the face instead of the body. Would get the KO regardless but with four ounce gloves would also cause more facial damage.

 

[lowsingle]

people think because he is accurate, he also isnt hitting hard as fuck. he throws hard, he has 2 jab ko's in the ufc. you cant get that just by being accurate

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

people think because he is accurate, he also isnt hitting hard as fuck. he throws hard, he has 2 jab ko's in the ufc. you cant get that just by being accurate

He is a right handed southpaw, this is what makes his jabs so strong. Anderson has good power but he isn't among the most powerful punchers like Manhoef, Henderson, Belfort, Romero and maybe a few other guys. His power is good but not great or amazing, however his accuracy and ability to counter are.

 

[JayElectra]

a lot of people have already said it but it just seems like it's more his timing and accuracy that does it.

Everyone knows what a big power punch looks like and Silva just doesn't really throw those. The fact that he knocks people out with little jabs can either mean:

1: it is mostly about speed, precision, and timing.

or

2: he's basically shane carwin of the mw/lhw division (I seriously doubt that but I guess that's how you're looking at it OP)

As for the "if speed and accuracy were what it took, floyd mayweather would knock people out more" argument. Maybe his opponents have better defense? Maybe they don't give him as many openings as Silva's opponents give him?

Cause actually Floyd has knocked a few people out in very nice fashion (ricky hatton) when he caught them at the right time.

Think of it like Kimbo vs Seth --- Seth basically threw a jab and he did so on his back foot for fucks sakes.. but it was so accurate and kimbo was moving toward it that it did the job.

You don't need great power to get knockouts. Accuracy, timing, and speed can do it just as well.

Along with having those attributes, Anderson is one of the most well trained fighters the UFC has ever seen. Like when he throws leg kicks, he throws them perfectly, he makes his opponents entire hip turn every time he leg kicks them. NO ONE else in the ufc does that, not even Aldo.

That's just perfect technique. Well it's the same with a lot of his punches, Anderson's technique is just flawless

Floyd is a better puncher than most people credit him to be. His lack of KOs in recent years are down to fighting bigger opponents, fighting durable opponents, brittle hands and the fact that Floyd doesn't really bother going out of his way to get the stoppage (Mosley, Cotto, and Marquez were all ready to go, but Mayweather was content to win by decision and minimize this risk that he took). He has great punching technique and impeccable timing, but he was also born with natural power. If Anderson was getting similar results in boxing, he'd be universally recognized as having very heavy hands. Why MMA fans trip all over themselves to credit Anderson with some arcane and mystical ability in order to explain his knockouts is beyond me. He has very good timing and sound technique. He also has very heavy hands.

 

[JaPo]

Floyd is a better puncher than most people credit him to be. His lack of KOs in recent years are down to fighting bigger opponents, fighting durable opponents, brittle hands and the fact that Floyd doesn't really bother going out of his way to get the stoppage (Mosley, Cotto, and Marquez were all ready to go, but Mayweather was content to win by decision and minimize this risk that he took). He has great punching technique and impeccable timing, but he was also born with natural power. If Anderson was getting similar results in boxing, he'd be universally recognized as having very heavy hands. Why MMA fans trip all over themselves to credit Anderson with some arcane and mystical ability in order to explain his knockouts is beyond me. He has very good timing and sound technique. He also has very heavy hands.

I think it is that Anderson's technical savvy generally stands in such stark contrast to that of his opponents or fellow fighters. As silly as it sounds, he DOES do things that few other MMA fighters are capable of doing. In boxing, a degree of technical proficiency in terms of defence, footwork, head movement, feints etc. is expected for the majority of fighters.

And funny that you were talking about Naseem a couple of pages ago. Some interesting videos I thought would be good to share:





Peep a cherubic Hamed confessing he's not an extraordinarily naturally hard puncher. Obviously, he did have heavy hands, but it's interesting to see that he acknowledged at such a young age he might need to pursue other avenues to KO fools. Also shows, perhaps contrary to popular belief, that Hamed was a very crafty fighter.

 

[ShagginTurtles]

I hate the way Sherdog turned on Silva since his loss.

I'm not a Silva fan. I don't consider him the GOAT. But I respect the hell out of him.

I hate that because he got KO'd at 38 years old people act like he no longer has the same accomplishments he has.

Was his whole fan base banwagoners? Where'd they all go?

 

[OldManGrip]

I hate the way Sherdog turned on Silva since his loss.

I'm not a Silva fan. I don't consider him the GOAT. But I respect the hell out of him.

I hate that because he got KO'd at 38 years old people act like he no longer has the same accomplishments he has.

Was his whole fan base banwagoners? Where'd they all go?

I agree, 38 isn't exactly a spring chicken. If he got ko'd at 28 after such a long reign it would make more sense to discredit him and he is not even one of my favorites. It is just funny how people turn on someone after 1 loss

 

[k1ngjester]

He knocked a dude out in a Pro Boxing match with a hook to the body. Imagine now without the 10 ounce gloves and to the face instead of the body. Would get the KO regardless but with four ounce gloves would also cause more facial damage.

Well Silva beat the guy with a barrage of punches to the body and the head. Then he wilted to Silva's punches so it wasn't a one punch KO.

I'm just saying his straight or cross would be much more efficient than his hook or uppercut. Basing this on his long reach compared to someone with a short reach like Marciano.

 

[Power of Pain**]

He is a right handed southpaw, this is what makes his jabs so strong. Anderson has good power but he isn't among the most powerful punchers like Manhoef, Henderson, Belfort, Romero and maybe a few other guys. His power is good but not great or amazing, however his accuracy and ability to counter are.

Mayweather and Hopkins debunks this nonsense of Silva not having great power.

So does Cyrille Diabate and Nick Diaz.

Diabate has great accuracy with his jabs and power shots. He actually was record to score more jabs and power shots in 2007 then Silva.

But he only has 8 KO wins out of 19 wins. And not all of those KO where from punches.

Nick Diaz has decent power but nowhere like Silva. Yet he has great accuracy but has to throw punches in high volume to cause a KO or TKO.

Explain how is it that Silva's power is not great when he has two KO from jabs, rocked fighters on the ground with a punch, split a man's face open and got the KO win from a short cross to his cheek while holding his leg, knock a Boxer out with a hook to the body (with 10 ounce gloves btw), first to crack Leban's chin, knock Curtis Stout from GnP while in his guard. But then you have great accurate precise punchers who does not cause near the amount of damage or knock out he does?

You have no explanation, no matter how hard you try to answer each of those fights.

Fact is you are in the post Brock Lesnar era where you think for one to have KO power he has to look like he is on roids.

 

[JayElectra]

I think it is that Anderson's technical savvy generally stands in such stark contrast to that of his opponents or fellow fighters. As silly as it sounds, he DOES do things that few other MMA fighters are capable of doing. In boxing, a degree of technical proficiency in terms of defence, footwork, head movement, feints etc. is expected for the majority of fighters.

And funny that you were talking about Naseem a couple of pages ago. Some interesting videos I thought would be good to share:





Peep a cherubic Hamed confessing he's not an extraordinarily naturally hard puncher. Obviously, he did have heavy hands, but it's interesting to see that he acknowledged at such a young age he might need to pursue other avenues to KO fools. Also shows, perhaps contrary to popular belief, that Hamed was a very crafty fighter.

A big part of Hamed's success was his ability to hit fighters with big shots from strange angles when they weren't expecting it. Still, he had bricks for hands. Getting the KO is always about more than mere raw power, obviously, but without that raw power, those KOs aren't happening. A story that I've heard regarding Ray Robinson is that when he came back after his 2 and a half year hiatus after the Maxim fight, he was struggling to hurt his opponents as easy as he used to. One thing he noted as he started to hurt his opponents more regularly again is the necessity to set fighters up and use (as I remember him calling them) "tricks" and subterfuge in order to get fighters to walk into shots that they don't see coming (the iconic KO of Gene Fullmer is a great example of walking a fighter straight into his considerable left hook). There is an art to knocking out fighters beyond raw power, but it should always be remembered that fighters like Ray Robinson, Naseem Hamed and Anderson Silva also had/have that God-given punching ability.

 

[Power of Pain**]

Well Silva beat the guy with a barrage of punches to the body and the head. Then he wilted to Silva's punches so it wasn't a one punch KO.

I'm just saying his straight or cross would be much more efficient than his hook or uppercut. Basing this on his long reach compared to someone with a short reach like Marciano.

Not true. He had the guy hurt but was covering for dear life and left his body exposed. Once Silva caught him with the hook to the body the guy dropped so it was a KO.

I agree his straight cross would be more efficient but that doesn't mean his hook would not be dangerous.

Many boxers with long reaches who were over six feet had amazing hooks.

 

[k1ngjester]

Not true. He had the guy hurt but was covering for dear life and left his body exposed. Once Silva caught him with the hook to the body the guy dropped so it was a KO.

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It was a KO but not with one punch and the guy wilted as he dropped. He probably can KO with a hook, but would rather the cross instead.

 

[JayElectra]

Bob Foster might have had the best left hook in boxing history, and he was lankier than Silva.



Saddler, a similarly lanky fighter, also was renowned for his crushing left hook. The Ring put Saddler top 5 in all time p4p punchers.

 

[JaPo]

A big part of Hamed's success was his ability to hit fighters with big shots from strange angles when they weren't expecting it. Still, he had bricks for hands. Getting the KO is always about more than mere raw power, obviously, but without that raw power, those KOs aren't happening. A story that I've heard regarding Ray Robinson is that when he came back after his 2 and a half year hiatus after the Maxim fight, he was struggling to hurt his opponents as easy as he used to. One thing he noted as he started to hurt his opponents more regularly again is the necessity to set fighters up and use (as I remember him calling them) "tricks" and subterfuge in order to get fighters to walk into shots that they don't see coming (the iconic KO of Gene Fullmer is a great example of walking a fighter straight into his considerable left hook). There is an art to knocking out fighters beyond raw power, but it should always be remembered that fighters like Ray Robinson, Naseem Hamed and Anderson Silva also had/have that God-given punching ability.

Yeah. Hamed's legs also seemed to be unbelievably strong and explosive. Hence why he physically springs into a great deal of his punches and rarely, at least to my knowledge, 'sat down' on them in a traditional sense. And why he was able to cut angles so quickly it almost appears the camera misses a frame or two.