Why is all the buzz about Muay Thai kicks, when kykoushinkais kick harder?

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Kyokushinkais kick like fucking cannonballs in power. Low kicks, back kicks, sidekicks, yet all we hear about is to train Muay Thai for kicking. Is there any impractical aspect to kyokushinkai kicks or why is it neglected?
 
You find hard kickers in both arts.

Yes i have Trained both... Have you?
 
Frode Falch said:
You find hard kickers in both arts.

Yes i have Trained both... Have you?
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No I have not. Based on everything I've seen, Kyokushinkais kick much harder than Thai guys. Even short japanese black belts are monster kickers. I don't get why Thai is advocated in MMA over Kyokushin when it comes to kicking.
 
Kyokushin guys kicks more deep and heavy. I will give you that.

But muay thai kick are better under more realistic fighting forms. Where more weapons are used. Sweeps, punching counters to the face, clinching, ect.

Kyokushin is just kicking with body punches.. So of course you can put alot more bodyweight in the kicks..
 
Frode Falch said:
Kyokushin guys kicks more deep and heavy. I will give you that.

But muay thai kick are better under more realistic fighting forms. Where more weapons are used. Sweeps, punching counters to the face, clinching, ect.

Kyokushin is just kicking with body punches.. So of course you can put alot more bodyweight in the kicks..
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Yeah, maybe that's right. The Kyokushin roundhouses are still more practical in a cage than TKDs. Because in TKd you either kick a traditional roundhouse with the ball of the foot, which is not the most powerful way, or you do the instep version which is fast but not suited for MMA. There is less space required when doing a Kyokushin roundhouse, it seems. And the same goes for Muay thai.
 
The difference in power is negligible, and MT offers more "cage ready" weapons and defenses.
 
DoctorTaco said:
The difference in power is negligible, and MT offers more "cage ready" weapons and defenses.
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I am saying kicks only. Negligeable? When a kyokushinkai sidekicks, the opponent tumbles three feet back.
 
spacetime said:
I am saying kicks only. Negligeable? When a kyokushinkai sidekicks, the opponent tumbles three feet back.
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I'm more impressed with kyokushin hands (makiwara) and muay Thai shins (banana tree). I think the staple low kick, a side teep, a knee, a clinch, those staples are hard to beat because they are basic.

All over though you have a high roundhouse, axe kick, wheel kick, spin back kick, snap kick, side kick which are superior.

However the axe kick, roundhouse and the side kick are negligible. The side teep is just as useful. Beaten on knees and low roundhouse kicks, albeit again negligible, the legs you stand on are switching stances and spinning kicks. Thais throw wheel kicks.

A spin back kick is the only kick harder than a knee from the clinch. A single technique doesn't make an art.

I love kyokushin. But between the two, muay Thai has it.

It's focus
 
savateur doom said:
I'm more impressed with kyokushin hands (makiwara) and muay Thai shins (banana tree). I think the staple low kick, a side teep, a knee, a clinch, those staples are hard to beat because they are basic.

All over though you have a high roundhouse, axe kick, wheel kick, spin back kick, snap kick, side kick which are superior.

However the axe kick, roundhouse and the side kick are negligible. The side teep is just as useful. Beaten on knees and low roundhouse kicks, albeit again negligible, the legs you stand on are switching stances and spinning kicks. Thais throw wheel kicks.

A spin back kick is the only kick harder than a knee from the clinch. A single technique doesn't make an art.

I love kyokushin. But between the two, muay Thai has it.

It's focus
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Muay Thai has spinning back kicks as well...don't know about wheel kicks or axe kicks though.
 
Paradigm said:
Muay Thai has spinning back kicks as well...don't know about wheel kicks or axe kicks though.
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Spinning back kicks, spinning wheel kick, jumping switch kick, and two different tornado kicks, are all part of the muay thai system.

There are thai boxers that does axe kicks. But its not a part of the typical muay thai system.
 
A kick is a kick right? If a well built and trained guy manages to land a step kick to the ribs or even a decent leg kick, it's gonna be effective, kinda like asking what's the fuss over left hooks when watching a bum missing it over and over again as opposed to taking one from Joe Frazier or Chuck Liddell
 
Kyokushin guys kick hard but to say they kick harder across the board is reaching. Show me a Kyokushin guy that kicks harder than Yodsanklai. Only Karate guy that comes close is probably Hinata Watanabe, not sure if he's KK tho.
 
This thread is kind of reminiscent of people who are clueless about fighting talking about "X martial art beats Y martial art." It's the fighter, not the art. People have different builds, different capabilities, different game plans, different strengths and weaknesses, etc., etc. I've trained both MT and Kyokushin (and Ashihara, which has a different roundhouse than Kyokushin). I like and use all of the roundhouse kicks I've been taught, including the sport Karate version. It's kind of silly to limit yourself by picking favorites.

Like Musashi says:

You should not have a favorite weapon, or any other exaggerated preference for that matter. To become overly attached to one weapon is as bad as not knowing it sufficiently well. You should not imitate others, but use those weapons which suit you, and which you can handle properly. It is bad for both commanders and troopers to entertain likes and dislikes. Pragmatic thinking is essential. These are things you must learn thoroughly.
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spacetime said:
Kyokushinkais kick like fucking cannonballs in power. Low kicks, back kicks, sidekicks, yet all we hear about is to train Muay Thai for kicking. Is there any impractical aspect to kyokushinkai kicks or why is it neglected?
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Sakmongkol vs. karate dude:

 
n.diazismylife1999 said:
This thread is kind of reminiscent of people who are clueless about fighting talking about "X martial art beats Y martial art." It's the fighter, not the art. People have different builds, different capabilities, different game plans, different strengths and weaknesses, etc., etc. I've trained both MT and Kyokushin (and Ashihara, which has a different roundhouse than Kyokushin). I like and use all of the roundhouse kicks I've been taught, including the sport Karate version. It's kind of silly to limit yourself by picking favorites.

Like Musashi says:
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No, training and technique matters too. You can't get Shotokan karatekas with their outdated ball of the foot roundhouse to match a Kyokushin or Muay Thai roundhouse in power. I don't care who you put up there, its not even close.
 
I'd bet you an average, legit, competitive Kyokushin black belt kicks equivalent force to that of a prominent old school TKD master - 4th Dan or more.
 
spacetime said:
No, training and technique matters too. You can't get Shotokan karatekas with their outdated ball of the foot roundhouse to match a Kyokushin or Muay Thai roundhouse in power. I don't care who you put up there, its not even close.
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You won't get a Sport Karateka to match MT or Kyokushin in power either, but so what? Power is only part of the equation.
 
StopDucking said:
Sakmongkol vs. karate dude:

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Lol...is that even a fair fight? Did the karate guy realize who he was fighting beforehand? If they were fighting in a pro sport here in the US, I'm not sure it would get sanctioned. Like feeding a gazelle from Cabo to a lion (or something)...

I know Bas had beef with Sakmongkol back in the day...always wondered what that was about.

That video reminds me of this matchup:

 
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