Why inexperienced A level athletes (basketball,strongman...) go to BOXING instead of MMA (UFC)??

[Slatersan]

Yes all grappling is nullified by anyone who is more athletic.

 

[superpunch]

They've done studies on the CTE caused by constant trauma to the head in boxing. Terrible for the brain.

You may not know about it but its known.

And MMA doesn't give CTE?

 

[GolovKing]

270 bodyweight

That's more technique than sheer athleticism. Joe rogan throws that kick better than anyone in the ufc. Are you really suggesting rogan is a superior athlete to any ufc fighter?

 

[Sirwastealot]

And MMA doesn't give CTE?

Of course it does. Boxing is worse because of a lot more trauma to the head.

 

[Satan's Daddy.]

Why are people kidding themselves and acting like nate is a better basketball player than everyone in the NBA when he averaged for 11ppg?

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

UFC is dead.
Boxing is alive.

Simple as.

 

[Turdbucket]

A level athletes have often already done what intense training does to a body. It damages it to stay at peak level at your sport so you can be above the other hundreds of thousands competing. If you want to try something else MMA makes every damaged part of your body a weakness in training and in fighting. Boxing is still doable even with some wear and tear. MMA is the most brutal sport there is physically!

 

[superpunch]

Of course it does. Boxing is worse because of a lot more trauma to the head.

I also used to believe that boxing is worse because more punches to the head in boxing seems like it should give you more brain damage than MMA which has less punches to the head. That was the marketing line when Dana was trying to get the UFC more mainstream. But that's all it is, just marketing to make the sport sound safer. There's no science that supports that at all.

What cuts your arm off more, a kitchen knife (MMA) or a much sharper diamond cutting laser beam (boxing)? Or do they both just cut your arm off the same?

What gives you more CTE: 500 punches, or 200 punches 10 elbows 2 knees and a head kick?

At that point, it's just genetic. You're like Overeem and you can get knocked out 20+ times by guys like Ngannou and be totally OK, or like George Chuvalo who famously use his legendary chin to eat strongest shots from the strongest power punchers in boxing history in large volume until they tired out and sound like a young man @ 90 years old. Or you can be like TJ Grant who spent years out after just 4 KOs and then retired, or Jordan Parsons who was diagnosed with CTE after just 3 KOs.

If you're gonna get brain damage, you're going to get whether you box or do MMA because, this is my belief from watching MMA for a long time, your genetic predisposition matters much more. It doesn't make a difference whether you take 500 punches or 200 punches, because it only takes like 50 punches and the rest is academic.

I've seen too many guys like Wanderlei and Gary Goodridge end up clearly not the same people in retirement to believe otherwise.

 

[Olir]

I think the trauma fighters are getting after they are already out is a dark area of science. Some dudes seem to get changed by it.

 

[Deleted member 491149]

That's more technique than sheer athleticism. Joe rogan throws that kick better than anyone in the ufc. Are you really suggesting rogan is a superior athlete to any ufc fighter?

1, joe throws a spinning back kick, Hunt is throwing a wheel kick,
2. joe is 5'2 and a ped dispensary, hunt weighs up to 290,
3. are you really suggesting that hitting a stationary bag is like throwing a kick in a real fight against Cro Cop?

 

[Slapchoppin]

they get paid more to box

basketball players especially seem to really just be about competing for money

the sport is just a competition to see who gets the best endorsements

 

[cmw43]

I don't think I'd ever consider Mark Hunt a 'raw athlete'

There's not many fat 5"9 guys who have the agility, strength and explosiveness to be KOing top 10 giant HW's when he's in his 40s.

The man's got real athletic ability.

 

[Sirwastealot]

I also used to believe that boxing is worse because more punches to the head in boxing seems like it should give you more brain damage than MMA which has less punches to the head. That was the marketing line when Dana was trying to get the UFC more mainstream. But that's all it is, just marketing to make the sport sound safer. There's no science that supports that at all.

What cuts your arm off more, a kitchen knife (MMA) or a much sharper diamond cutting laser beam (boxing)? Or do they both just cut your arm off the same?

What gives you more CTE: 500 punches, or 200 punches 10 elbows 2 knees and a head kick?

At that point, it's just genetic. You're like Overeem and you can get knocked out 20+ times by guys like Ngannou and be totally OK, or like George Chuvalo who famously use his legendary chin to eat strongest shots from the strongest power punchers in boxing history in large volume until they tired out and sound like a young man @ 90 years old. Or you can be like TJ Grant who spent years out after just 4 KOs and then retired, or Jordan Parsons who was diagnosed with CTE after just 3 KOs.

If you're gonna get brain damage, you're going to get whether you box or do MMA because, this is my belief from watching MMA for a long time, your genetic predisposition matters much more. It doesn't make a difference whether you take 500 punches or 200 punches, because it only takes like 50 punches and the rest is academic.

I've seen too many guys like Wanderlei and Gary Goodridge end up clearly not the same people in retirement to believe otherwise.

Maybe, i haven't actually seen the scientific research myself so i could well have fallen for the marketing. But it made sense to me from a common sense POV.

But the two things in boxing, one is the higher volume of strikes, the other is the 10 count. Boxing matches continue a lot of times when the guy is almost out or seriously rocked. Like tyson fury went to sleep against wilder and got up around the 10 count.

I get what you mean about predisposition thats always a huge factor. But i have to imagine 500 hits will lead to a worse outcome than 200. Its that much more damage to the brain getting rattled around inside your skull.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

I think that raw athletism plays much bigger role in mma than boxing. If you are much stronger than your opponent ability to grab a hold of him is huge advantage (that doesn't require alot of technique). But in boxing your main advantige is nullified.

If you just want to beat someone, or prove how tough you are, I think it is much easier to do in mma. Not to mention it is also much more similar to real fight, which gives you more of the bragging rights

Exemplars of raw athletes in mma are Ngannou, Hunt, Filipovic, Brock, Randleman...

Most obvious exemplars of unsuccessful athletes in boxing to me are Nate Robinson (A+++ NBA athlete) and Mihail Koklayev (one of the strongest people ever). They both got KTFO in boxing, but if they fought against same opponents again in mma i think that they would have much better chance. (If someone can post links of both fights that would be great, I'm on my phone so couldn't do it)

Thoughts my sherbros?

Because MMA is way harder then boxing....by no means is boxing easy...especially at high levels but its one discipline to learn...MMA requires many

 

[Reileyb]

Number 1 reason is money, boxing is the go-to combat sport for matches like these for monetary gain.
Number 2 is the training, boxing is 1 dimensional and it's quicker to become a journeyman boxer than it is in MMA where if your game isn't rounded you're in trouble.

 

[RemyR]

A level athlete with testosterone levels of a bull elephant doing MMA and trying to grab his opponent, who's a part time fighter/full time comedian, and got KTFO

Lesson here: raw athleticism only takes you so far, and MMA is a highly skilled sport

i have no idea how Sherdog STILL has not grasped this

 

[GolovKing]

1, joe throw's a spinning back kick, Hunt is throwing a wheel kick,
2. joe is 5'2 and a ped dispensary, hunt weighs up to 290,
3. are you really suggesting that hitting a stationary bag is like throwing a kick in a real fight against Cro Cop?

1. Both of those kicks are similar and require the same amount of athleticism
2. So you're suggesting that Joe is a better athlete than fighters in the ufc, but it's because of his peds? So Joe and Mark are both more athletic than gsp who couldn't throw the same kick without looking awkward?
3. There is no difference in athleticism required between landing it on a person or a bag. One just requires a lot more experience and skill

 

[superpunch]

Maybe, i haven't actually seen the scientific research myself so i could well have fallen for the marketing. But it made sense to me from a common sense POV.

But the two things in boxing, one is the higher volume of strikes, the other is the 10 count. Boxing matches continue a lot of times when the guy is almost out or seriously rocked. Like tyson fury went to sleep against wilder and got up around the 10 count.

I get what you mean about predisposition thats always a huge factor. But i have to imagine 500 hits will lead to a worse outcome than 200. Its that much more damage to the brain getting rattled around inside your skull.

Just a counter to the 10 count thing. The first time I went to a boxing card in person, I was shocked. I felt gypped. They were stopping all the fights when fighters could clearly continue. They were stopping fights where guys hadn't even been knocked down. A guy getting pieced up at range but not really eating too much "damage" -- the fights were stopped. I was actually getting angry until a boxing fan explained to me what was going on.

If you have little chance and the other guy is just picking you apart, boxing has a "mercy rule". They will stop the fight so that no more unnecessary damage occurs BEFORE the inevitable concussion occurs. Boxing refs enforce this rule all the time.

MMA has the same "rule" but I've never seen it enforced by the ref except in Gaethje vs Ferguson (which would have been stopped MUCH sooner in boxing). I've seen refs drag fighters that couldn't stand back up into the center of the ring to start from the last ground position lmao. MMA refs never enforce that rule; fights aren't stopped unless the corner throws in the towel (which never happens, I can count on 1 hand the times I've seen it since 2005), or wait until the guy "can't intelligently defend himself". Which means he's really fucked up.

Boxing tries to stop the fight before the concussions happen. MMA doesn't stop the fight until you have so many concussions that you can't even consciously lift your arms to your head to block ground and pound.

You could make the argument either way for either sport. I just think that both sports give enough head trauma that it the amount of brain damage has more to do with the genetics of your brain's ability to repair itself (rewire free neurons or other neural networks into damaged neural networks with dead brain cells) much more so than anything else.

 

[Deleted member 491149]

1. Both of those kicks are similar and require the same amount of athleticism
2. So you're suggesting that Joe is a better athlete than fighters in the ufc, but it's because of his peds? So Joe and Mark are both more athletic than gsp who couldn't throw the same kick without looking awkward?
3. There is no difference in athleticism required between landing it on a person or a bag. One just requires a lot more experience and skill

you're the only one itt talking about joe rogan, no one ever suggested he was athletic except for you,

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about,

if it's so easy, please post examples of other people marks size throwing it faster,

 

[Human Bass]

Boxing is easier to focus. Try to learn striking, wrestling and bjj at once from zero.