Why I Left Fox News

[Trotsky]

You assumed what I was saying because of political thinking. I only stated a fact that the USPS isn't allowed to fall, and is subsidized. Did I take a stance on that? I was addressing another issue to the person I was talking to.

And you were implying a normative judgment by saying that: presumably that a for-profit enterprise shouldn't be reaping their profits through a publicly subsidized network of distribution. Even if I don't think that is a sufficiently detailed critique (bearing ex post costs of postage still taxes their larger share of usage), I don't think it's morally problematic either. If you weren't meaning to imply that (or something worse), there would have been no reason at all to say it.

However, your rhetorical nexus was just....well, false. You can say "the USPS doesn't make money," but it sure as hell doesn't lose money, as it provides services subsequent to its investment at rates of return (both in the form of services and steady/well-protected employment) better than private enterprise. And, regardless, a net loss doesn't reflect necessarily loss on Amazon's services.

Right now, the only semi-coherent point that can be derived from your argument is that the USPS is losing money on Amazon services (I don't believe that's the case) and that if it were a for-profit service, it would renegotiate with Amazon or else capsize. I don't think that's an accurate analysis.

 

[splendica]

You have to admit, CNN is just as bad if not worse. They took money from the Clintons, pharma, etc. A totally clear agenda. Don't tell me you still have CNN.

CNN is MUCH worse. Miles worse. Not even close tbh.

 

[Throttlehead]

CNN is MUCH worse. Miles worse. Not even close tbh.

Why? Because they are not state media?
Its amazing how far out to lunch people can get by believing everything the cult leader says.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

We've suffered far too much editorializing in the news the past several years, but this is one of the more important Op-Eds written during this period. It's more testimonial than opinion.

Why I left Fox News

Ralph Peters is a retired Army officer, a former enlisted man and a prize-winning author of historical fiction.

If you spring to defend FOX based on partisan flag-waving you are a fool. This is a bad investment for conservatives. Building a homegrown RussiaToday because one believes it a necessity to combat the tilt from the journalistic left is participating in the same absurdist propagandizing that cost liberals the easiest lay-up to the White House in the history of elections.

The younger generation is already showing a heavily liberal proclivity. Fox is deploying a strategy that risks squandering them forever. The center is going to shift drastically to the left if the most important mainstream conservative news source doesn't pull its head out of the sand. The midterms are going to be painful no matter what, but this is the sort of social engineering that will implode 2020, and every election beyond.

I've never been a regular watcher of Fox News so I can't say whether this is true. But Ralph Peters is a guy I recognize as having written some essays in the past few decades that weren't bullshit.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

CNN is MUCH worse. Miles worse. Not even close tbh.

CNN is the bottom of the barrel. CNN is a dumpster fire. I'd watch MSNBC or FOX over CNN any day.

 

[Madmick]

You have to admit, CNN is just as bad if not worse. They took money from the Clintons, pharma, etc. A totally clear agenda. Don't tell me you still have CNN.

No, I don't. Fox takes money from "pharma" (i.e. advertising dollars). I don't even know what your Clinton CT references, but I'm already suspicious of any actual substance, there.

CNN may have a clear agenda, but they aren't engaged in this suppression of its own dissenting voices. If they are, then at some point someone might provide some testimony or evidence towards that assumption. It's not like CNN even has a President to shill for. I've seen many positive Op-Eds among the more liberal press bodies praising Trump's willingness to finally, seriously confront China's rampant international IP abuses, for example.

Meanwhile, Fox won't even let their top expert explain why the Russian investigation is a valid and critical undertaking to guarantee national security. Trump's own NSA and top intelligence advisers, including the one he just hired to replace McMaster, John Botlon, have literally called this the #1 national security threat we face today. This might be the only foreign matter on which Bolton and McMaster agree (because they certainly don't agree about North Korea, Iran, or Iraq). Yet Fox is out there insisting to the American people that it's a witch hunt. They are in direct contradiction with our own government.

Ironically, the harder leftist new sources out there have already been out there trying to downplay the Russian threat by offering a platform for pro-Detente intellectual like my own former Russian studies professor (a staunch leftist):
Russia Is Not the ‘No. 1 Threat’—or Even Among the Top 5: By declaring Putin’s Russia to be the greatest danger to America, the political-media establishment itself is endangering US national security.
So where is that liberal echo chamber? Cohen himself complains this is a bipartisan viewpoint among policy makers. The only Republican in government who has resisted acknowledging the obvious is Trump himself:
Retired four-star Army general: Trump ‘serious threat to US national security’

U.S. Cyber Command chief and National Security Agency Director Adm. Michael Rogers testified before the Senate last month that he hadn’t received instructions from Trump to take additional steps to deter Russian cyberattacks aimed at U.S. elections.

China, Russia listed as top threats in Pentagon's new National Defense Strategy
He dragged his feet for what-- nearly a year?-- to sign into law the sanctions bill recommended by the Senate 98-2, twice repressing it, and only finally signing it during the Stormy Daniels interview week, so pardon me if I think he was attempting to run interference, and wasn't sincere.

 

[GSP_37]

MSNBC is garbage. Foxnews is garbage. They are both slanted.

FOX News is pure bullshit with fugly biotches acting so sexy. MSNBC is connecting the dots pointing out how corrupt Chump & swamp dwellers are via pointing out facts and video and audio clips of them making themselves look guilty and incompetent.

 

[ShadowRun]

FOX News is pure bullshit with fugly biotches acting so sexy. MSNBC is connecting the dots pointing out how corrupt Chump & swamp dwellers are via pointing out facts and video and audio clips of them making themselves look guilty and incompetent.

This statement is one of the biggest part of the MSM problems and mistrust.

 

[58miles]

CNN is the bottom of the barrel. CNN is a dumpster fire. I'd watch MSNBC or FOX over CNN any day.

Fox New is so awful it has failed pretty much everywhere it's been tried with the exception of the US.

 

[Mondo Freaks]

Why if Andrei Arlovski hosted an MMA segment on Fox News, TS?

 

[El anciano]

FOX News is pure bullshit with fugly biotches acting so sexy. MSNBC is connecting the dots pointing out how corrupt Chump & swamp dwellers are via pointing out facts and video and audio clips of them making themselves look guilty and incompetent.

Exactly. Far right loons hate that MSNBC doesnt kiss Trumps ass and is not afraid to actually expose his lies and treason. That doesnt make them far left, it makes them journalists. Sadly that term no longer means what it used to

 

[bobgeese]

Let’s not forget that cnn colluded with a presidential candidate in order to unfairly influence the democrat primary.


I wonder how many Bernie bros still devour their propaganda from the outlet that helped rob their candidate of the nomination...

 

[Throttlehead]

Let’s not forget that cnn colluded with a presidential candidate in order to unfairly influence the democrat primary.

As opposed to currently run state TV? Is that collusion?

 

[bobgeese]

As opposed to currently run state TV? Is that collusion?

What happened to the sacredness of our elections that must not be unfairly influenced?


I could have sworn I heard a year worth of crying about some Facebook ads and Russian shitposters. Yet one of the big 3 propaganda, I mean news outlets blatantly tries to screw over a primary candidate, in a setting with millions of viewers, but y’all don’t even blink an eye?



How embarrassing...

 

[Andy Capp]

I weigh each individual issue on It's own merit.

Do I believe FOX leans right/Republican? Yes. Do they lean as far right as the rest of MSM leans left/Democrat (with CNN being the worst offender)? Not even close.

Also, with deep state involved, I think the propaganda war is occurring for control of the American war machine. Israeli and Christian interests are more represented by FOX. Progressive and Muslim (even Russisn interests believe it or not - this is chess, a couple of moves ahead) are being furthered by CNN and the rest of MSM. It's all about the money behind the scenes pushing the narratives/propaganda.

Now, is there a single-minded deep state behind all of it and is just thriving off of conflict/war? Quite possibly. But then I'm not sure, then, what the end-game is regarding Israel. There is a strong possibility that American democracy is now, unfortunately, an orchestrated sham.

But yeah, for how long deep state allows Western civilization to go on, FOX is the most-reliable source of MSM that represents the interests of Americans - no matter what race, color and/or religion.

Serious question. Where do you get this ridiculous shit?
edit: never mind.

CNN is MUCH worse. Miles worse. Not even close tbh.

 

[Throttlehead]

What happened to the sacredness of our elections that must not be unfairly influenced?


I could have sworn I heard a year worth of crying about some Facebook ads and Russian shitposters. Yet one of the big 3 propaganda, I mean news outlets blatantly tries to screw over a primary candidate, in a setting with millions of viewers, but y’all don’t even blink an eye?



How embarrassing...

Sorry, I need a decryptor for that. WTF are you trying to say?

 

[58miles]

What happened to the sacredness of our elections that must not be unfairly influenced?


I could have sworn I heard a year worth of crying about some Facebook ads and Russian shitposters. Yet one of the big 3 propaganda, I mean news outlets blatantly tries to screw over a primary candidate, in a setting with millions of viewers, but y’all don’t even blink an eye?



How embarrassing...

That was not CNN that was former interim DNC chairwoman Donna Brazile.

 

[Madmick]

Let’s not forget that cnn colluded with a presidential candidate in order to unfairly influence the democrat primary.

This is objectively untrue, and that has already been clarified in this thread several times.

 

[bobgeese]

That was not CNN that was former interim DNC chairwoman Donna Brazile.

This is objectively untrue, and that has already been clarified in this thread several times.

CNN ANNOUNCED MONDAY IT had severed ties with contributor Donna Brazile after hacked emails published Monday revealed the she shared questions with Hillary Clinton's campaign team before primary debates in March.

On March 5, Brazile sent Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and communications director Jennifer Palmieri an email titled "One of the questions directed to HRC tomorrow is from a woman with a rash."

She added: "Her family has lead poison and she will ask what, if anything, will Hillary do as president to help the ppl of Flint."


https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...lines-between-charitable-personal-fundraising
The next night, Mikki Wade, who later said her son had developed a rash from the contaminated water, asked Clinton about Flint's water situation during the debate between Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Another town hall attendee, Lee-Anne Walters, also asked both candidates to require all public water systems to remove lead service lines throughout the country within their first 100 days in office.

Brazile's CNN contract was suspended when she became interim Democratic National Committee chairwoman this summer. Former DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to resign in July after WikiLeaks published hacked emails among party officials that revealed efforts to help Clinton and hurt her competitors, particularly Sanders.

In a March 12 email released Monday, Brazile told Palmieri, "Sometimes I get questions in advance," and "I'll send a few more."

Another leaked March 12 email that was released Oct. 12 suggested Brazile shared a question with the Clinton campaign ahead of another March debate, which CNN co-hosted with cable network TV One.

The email was titled: "Here's one that worries me about HRC." It asked whether states should abolish the death penalty. The next night at the debate, TV One co-host Roland Martin asked the same question – the wording, spacing and capitalization identical to Brazile's email.

 

[Madmick]

CNN ANNOUNCED MONDAY IT had severed ties with contributor Donna Brazile after hacked emails published Monday revealed the she shared questions with Hillary Clinton's campaign team before primary debates in March.

On March 5, Brazile sent Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and communications director Jennifer Palmieri an email titled "One of the questions directed to HRC tomorrow is from a woman with a rash."

She added: "Her family has lead poison and she will ask what, if anything, will Hillary do as president to help the ppl of Flint."
The next night, Mikki Wade, who later said her son had developed a rash from the contaminated water, asked Clinton about Flint's water situation during the debate between Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Another town hall attendee, Lee-Anne Walters, also asked both candidates to require all public water systems to remove lead service lines throughout the country within their first 100 days in office.

Brazile's CNN contract was suspended when she became interim Democratic National Committee chairwoman this summer. Former DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to resign in July after WikiLeaks published hacked emails among party officials that revealed efforts to help Clinton and hurt her competitors, particularly Sanders.

In a March 12 email released Monday, Brazile told Palmieri, "Sometimes I get questions in advance," and "I'll send a few more."

Another leaked March 12 email that was released Oct. 12 suggested Brazile shared a question with the Clinton campaign ahead of another March debate, which CNN co-hosted with cable network TV One.

The email was titled: "Here's one that worries me about HRC." It asked whether states should abolish the death penalty. The next night at the debate, TV One co-host Roland Martin asked the same question – the wording, spacing and capitalization identical to Brazile's email.

Nowhere in this Wikileak is CNN demonstrated to be complicit in any fashion with the Clinton campaign.

Do you understand that, or do you actually need us to explain to you what the text in your quote box means?