Why don't LHWs move up to HW?

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Most people would agree that the 3 guys from PRIDE, Fedor, Cro Cop, Big Nog were as good as the top guys today. LHWs then moved up and we had great fights. Wanderlei vs Cro Cop was a great fight! Rampage beat Igor.

Most people also agree that the top LHWs today -- Jones, Cormier, Gus, Rumble -- are a step above the best LHWs back then. Most people would also agree that today's MWs could contend with yesterday's LHWs. Luke Rockhold, Romero, etc. would be competitive with Wanderlei, Rampage, etc.

If both of these things are true then it must be that MWs and LHWs can compete with and beat HWs.
 
cause the new breed heavyweights look like nganuu.
 
Because the HW division is so shallow and weak, it would feel too easy for all other fighters. So they prefer to cut weight to at least have some competition at the lower weightclasses.

Don't you know nothing about sherbro logic?
 
crxer said:
cause the new breed heavyweights look like nganuu.
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I think this is it. Styles make fights and everything is relative.

MWs and LHWs would do great against and possibly beat Stipe. However, they would get obliterated by guys like Ngannou. Meanwhile, Stipe is in between size-wise. He's not big enough to overwhelm the LHWs but he is big enough to not get overwhelmed by Ngannou.

You keep moving down and LWs can compete with WWs can compete with MWs and MWs can compete with LHWs and LHWs can compete with HWs. But that doesn't mean that LWs can compete with HWs!

It's just styles and matchups.
 
JackSchtotll said:
For a similar reason MWs don't move up to LHW.
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Some top LHWs did that. Rumble and DC come to mind. I think that Rockhold and Weidman would also do great at LHW. Vitor almost beat Jones and would have obviously been a top 10 guy.

But it's different. There's no point in moving from MW to LHW. However, if you move to HW you get to say that you're the best fighter in the world. The baddest man on the planet.
 
Mirko fedor and crocop are not lhws.
 
superpunch said:
Some top LHWs did that. Rumble and DC come to mind. I think that Rockhold and Weidman would also do great at LHW. Vitor almost beat Jones and would have obviously been a top 10 guy.
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DC was a HW who dropped down to LHW.
Rumble has fought in WW and MW, and finally landed at LHW.
 
To minimize risk.

HW sucks, but certain guys are so large and powerful that the more skilled smaller guys have to have more perfect fights than they would need at LHW.
 
The LHW division is just as shallow as the HW division.
 
superpunch said:
MWs and LHWs would do great against and possibly beat Stipe.
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Dude. What is it with Stipe getting ZERO credit around here. So many people act like he is just an average fighter. Its bizarre.

Which LHW would do "great" again Stipe. Wait, nevermind that. Which MIDDLEWEIGHT would do "great" against Stipe? lmao
 
Skill might be -10 going from LHW to HW, but KO power is like +100.

Plus if one of those fat boys falls on you all he has to do is lie there and you lose a UD.
 
IloveTHIS said:
Dude. What is it with Stipe getting ZERO credit around here. So many people act like he is just an average fighter. Its bizarre.

Which LHW would do "great" again Stipe. Wait, nevermind that. Which MIDDLEWEIGHT would do "great" against Stipe? lmao
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I think the discrepancy comes from people just can't tell how big he by looking at him. He's 6'4" but not more built than most MWs and LHWs. People don't realize just how fucking big 6'4" is unless they stand him next to some 6'1" guys sideways. They see 6'1-6'4 average built guys and just think they're all the same size.

The body increases in three dimensions and the 2 inches between 6'2" and 6'4" are more size than the inches between 5'11" and 6'1"
 
We've seen a lot of HW's lose to far less skilled fighters more than any other division. Fighter's like Gus, Jones etc lose their physical advantages. DC is at a disadvantage, etc.

The only reason is literally because of that, no physical advantages. You factor in that the average top 10 HW gets paid a hell of a lot better than the average LHW.

Isn't Browne on 150K a fight? Black Beast is on 100K flat, I think or 80/80. That's more than some number 1 contenders in other divisions, hell even champions. If LHW's thought they could compete in the title picture at HW they would move up.
 
Maybe if there was a SHW division, it would be more likely to see LHW going for HW, but with actual setup they could face super huge monsters at HW.

Like weightcutless Shogun fighting Ngannou - NO THANK YOU
 
I doubt the TS has studied logic enough to know that the premises of his rough attempt at a syllogism are pretty shaky.

And why stop there? GSP, a longtime WW, beat the MW champ. RDA is a serious WW contender and he lost to Ferguson, Khabib and Alvarez at LW. Oh and Alvarez lost to Connor, who was once a FW...
 
superpunch said:
Most people would agree that the 3 guys from PRIDE, Fedor, Cro Cop, Big Nog were as good as the top guys today. LHWs then moved up and we had great fights. Wanderlei vs Cro Cop was a great fight! Rampage beat Igor.

Most people also agree that the top LHWs today -- Jones, Cormier, Gus, Rumble -- are a step above the best LHWs back then. Most people would also agree that today's MWs could contend with yesterday's LHWs. Luke Rockhold, Romero, etc. would be competitive with Wanderlei, Rampage, etc.

If both of these things are true then it must be that MWs and LHWs can compete with and beat HWs.
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Because HW comes in shape at >240lbs
LHWs are in shape at around 220lbs
 
LHW is already suuuuper weak and has been for years - at least as far back as the likes of Chuck and Shogun getting title shots off of shitty, shitty 2-win streaks.

Why would you want to drain it even more by having some of them go up to HW.
 
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