International Why doesn't the US recognize Taiwan?

[MicroBrew]

The US has given Taiwan the shaft for a long time, all to please the totalitarian CCP regime. Now is a good time for the US to recognize Taiwan as an independent country.

For all intents and purposes Taiwan is an independent country, so what is the point of engaging in this delusion that it isn't?

- Taiwan has its own armed forces, independent from mainland China and not under CCP control
- Taiwan is a democrasy that picks its own leaders, independent of the CCP
- Taiwan has its own currency
- Taiwan has its own elected officials and government
- Taiwan has its own constitution
- Taiwan makes its own trade deals and foreign affairs policy
- Taiwan has its own passport, and visa requirements independent of the PRC

Reality is they are an independent country, and they have been trying to get nations to recognize them as such.

The US supports Taiwan's World Health Assembly observer status. The WHA is the decision making body of the WHO.

Considering how anti American / anti Western the CCP is, why not just recognize Taiwan? I know some of you are going to say the PRC will invade, but if the US warns them that the US will defend Taiwan , and moves forces into Taiwan, what is the PRC going to do?

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And in related news, the Chinese nationalists and CCP are mad at the Dutch for changing their trade mission in Taiwan from "Netherlands Trade and Investment" to "Netherlands Offcie Taipei". Chinese media are calling for a boycott of Dutch goods.

https://dutchreview.com/news/diplomatic-conflict-between-china-and-the-netherlands-over-name-change/

 

[mon]

A cool 750 mil for the Solomon Islands, but It'd be less for our countries as our corporations are dependant on China(for now)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09...-ties-with-taiwan-in-favour-of-china/11524118

 

[BarryDillon]

The US has given Taiwan the shaft for a long time, all to please the totalitarian CCP regime. Now is a good time for the US to recognize Taiwan as an independent country.

For all intents and purposes Taiwan is an independent country, so what is the point of engaging in this delusion it isn't?

- Taiwan has its own armed forces, independent from mainland China and not under CCP control
- Taiwan is a democrasy that picks its own leaders, independent of the CCP
- Taiwan has its own currency
- Taiwan has its own elected officials and government
- Taiwan has its own constitution
- Taiwan makes its own trade deals and foreign affairs policy
- Taiwan has its own passport, and visa requirements independent of the PRC

Reality is they are an independent country, and they have been trying to get nations to recognize them as such.

The US supports Taiwan's World Health Assembly observer status. The WHA is the decision making body of the WHO.

Considering how anti American / anti Western the CCP is, why not just recognize Taiwan? I know some of you are going to say the PRC will invade, but if the US warns them that the US will defend Taiwan , and moves forces into Taiwan, what is the PRC going to do?

--

And in related news, the Chinese nationalists and CCP are mad at the Dutch for changing their trade mission in Taiwan from "Netherlands Trade and Investment" to "Netherlands Offcie Taipei". Chinese media are calling for a boycott of Dutch goods.

https://dutchreview.com/news/diplomatic-conflict-between-china-and-the-netherlands-over-name-change/

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

The US has given Taiwan the shaft for a long time, all to please the totalitarian CCP regime. Now is a good time for the US to recognize Taiwan as an independent country.

For all intents and purposes Taiwan is an independent country, so what is the point of engaging in this delusion it isn't?

- Taiwan has its own armed forces, independent from mainland China and not under CCP control
- Taiwan is a democrasy that picks its own leaders, independent of the CCP
- Taiwan has its own currency
- Taiwan has its own elected officials and government
- Taiwan has its own constitution
- Taiwan makes its own trade deals and foreign affairs policy
- Taiwan has its own passport, and visa requirements independent of the PRC

Reality is they are an independent country, and they have been trying to get nations to recognize them as such.

The US supports Taiwan's World Health Assembly observer status. The WHA is the decision making body of the WHO.

Considering how anti American / anti Western the CCP is, why not just recognize Taiwan? I know some of you are going to say the PRC will invade, but if the US warns them that the US will defend Taiwan , and moves forces into Taiwan, what is the PRC going to do?

--

And in related news, the Chinese nationalists and CCP are mad at the Dutch for changing their trade mission in Taiwan from "Netherlands Trade and Investment" to "Netherlands Offcie Taipei". Chinese media are calling for a boycott of Dutch goods.

https://dutchreview.com/news/diplomatic-conflict-between-china-and-the-netherlands-over-name-change/

It's not just the US- most of the world tiptoes around this issue so as not to anger China. Formal recognition would actually hurt Taiwan because China would take retaliatory measures against Taiwanese people and businesses. It would also trigger an arms race in the region. None of which benefits the US in any way.

Take a look at which nations recognize Taiwan-

 

[MicroBrew]

They need us much more than we need them. How is it that money is supposed to prevent us from angering China but concerns about money does not prevent China from ripping us off or bullying other nations?

 

[MicroBrew]

It's not just the US- most of the world tiptoes around this issue so as not to anger China. Formal recognition would actually hurt Taiwan because China would take retaliatory measures against Taiwanese people and businesses. It would also trigger an arms race in the region. None of which benefits the US in any way.

Take a look at which nations recognize Taiwan-

The US is the 800lb gorilla in the room, so China can be angry all it wants, it can't do anything. There already is an arms race in Asia, with China doing its best to modernize and expand, Taiwan makes no difference.

 

[HomeCheese]

It's been like this forever, even back with the pre-industrialized China. I think was 1980 and the Taiwanese put together an olympic team, they were hoping to compete as it was being held in Lake Placid New York. I don't believe the US supported this and they did not compete.

 

[7437]

Because Taiwan isnt a country?

It's the Republic of China, the government Mao defeated. They arent the government of china anymore.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

The US is the 800lb gorilla in the room, so China can be angry all it wants, it can't do anything. There already is an arms race in Asia, with China doing its best to modernize and expand, Taiwan makes no difference.

The US gains nothing from this while hurting business interests for Taiwan. What is the end goal of such a move? Let's work on recognizing Palestine and Kurdistan first.

 

[MicroBrew]

Because Taiwan isnt a country?

It's the Republic of China, the government Mao defeated. They arent the government of china anymore.

Taiwan or R.O.C. , means the same thing, one is just the formal name.

 

[MicroBrew]

The US gains nothing from this while hurting business interests for Taiwan. What is the end goal of such a move? Let's work on recognizing Palestine and Kurdistan first.

Neither Palestine or Kurdistan exist as independent countries in reality.

If Taiwan wants the US to recognize them, then why should the US fear for Taiwan's business interests?

 

[Hogey]

I agree with previous post in regards to reasons why it’s not happening but I wonder would not China see an acknowledgment of Taiwan’s independence from foreign countries as a justification to increase more aggressive behavior therefore committing Taiwan/allies and China to actually have to confront each other?

also was it not big news a few years ago that trump talked to the president of Taiwan on the phone?

 

[Magooglie]

Taiwan Numbah One! China Numbah Seventeen!

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

Neither Palestine or Kurdistan exist as independent countries in reality.

If Taiwan wants the US to recognize them, then why should the US fear for Taiwan's business interests?

Do they really?
Public opinion

According to opinion poll conducted in Taiwan by Mainland Affairs Council in 2019, 27.7% of respondents supported Taiwan's independence: 21.7% said that status quo has to be maintained for now but Taiwan should become independent in the future, while 6% said that independence must be declared as soon as possible. 31% respondents supported the current situation as it is, and 10.3% agreed to unification with the mainland with 1.4% saying that it should happen as soon as possible.[37]​

The PRC has stated they will re-unify by force if necessary if:
(1) Taiwan makes a formal declaration of independence,
(2) Taiwan forges a military alliance with any foreign power,
(3) internal turmoil arises in Taiwan, (4) Taiwan gains weapons of mass destruction,
(5) Taiwan shows no will to negotiate on the basis of “one China.”

We would then be obligated under the Taiwan Relations Act to provide defensive support. Whose interests would this be in? It's easy to see why most Taiwanese do not want to pursue a formal declaration of independence.

 

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[7437]

Taiwan or R.O.C. , means the same thing, one is just the formal name.

No, it's not the same thin . The ROC and PRC both agree that there is one chinese government. That happened during the 1992 consensus between the governments.

You cant recognize both. If you think that Taiwan should be an independent country, then that would be part of the Taiwan independence movement, not the ROC.

 

[Jack V Savage]

They all look alike.

 

[Starman]

Because Taiwan isnt a country?

It's the Republic of China, the government Mao defeated. They arent the government of china anymore.

50 cents has been deposited into your bank account.

 

[Sketch]

They all look alike.

lol

 

[4daLuLZ]

The US has given Taiwan the shaft for a long time, all to please the totalitarian CCP regime. Now is a good time for the US to recognize Taiwan as an independent country.

For all intents and purposes Taiwan is an independent country, so what is the point of engaging in this delusion it isn't?

- Taiwan has its own armed forces, independent from mainland China and not under CCP control
- Taiwan is a democrasy that picks its own leaders, independent of the CCP
- Taiwan has its own currency
- Taiwan has its own elected officials and government
- Taiwan has its own constitution
- Taiwan makes its own trade deals and foreign affairs policy
- Taiwan has its own passport, and visa requirements independent of the PRC

Reality is they are an independent country, and they have been trying to get nations to recognize them as such.

The US supports Taiwan's World Health Assembly observer status. The WHA is the decision making body of the WHO.

Considering how anti American / anti Western the CCP is, why not just recognize Taiwan? I know some of you are going to say the PRC will invade, but if the US warns them that the US will defend Taiwan , and moves forces into Taiwan, what is the PRC going to do?

--

And in related news, the Chinese nationalists and CCP are mad at the Dutch for changing their trade mission in Taiwan from "Netherlands Trade and Investment" to "Netherlands Offcie Taipei". Chinese media are calling for a boycott of Dutch goods.

https://dutchreview.com/news/diplomatic-conflict-between-china-and-the-netherlands-over-name-change/

Upsetting the status quo, China WILL attack.
And it’s a war that the US can’t win. Taiwan is literally a 100 miles or less from the mainland. Yes, the Chinese lack sufficient amphibious landing craft and are vulnerable to spy satellites when staging but this only matters if it’s them who moves first. Basically it means they can’t attack secretly.
But if the US does this, the need for secrecy vanishes and I n an all out open War, this is closeness advantage is something that can’t be overcome. The current status favours the status quo. Whoever moves first is at a disadvantage but that disadvantage is magnified if it’s the US that moves first.

And the main thing, do you want to go on TV explaining to the US public how their brothers, sons, husbands and fathers are coming back in body bags because of some dispute between two Chinese governments on the other end of the world ?
The US suffered near 40 thousand dead in less than two years in the Korean War. That’s 10% dead of forces committed. That’s almost the same amount that died in the whole decade long Vietnam War and we all know what a shit fest that was.
Another thing to consider is that this 10% death rate is with the US holding complete air and naval superiority over the battlefield, something that can’t happen now.
In the Korean War, the US also had substantial strategical depth (South Korea) to fall back on, assemble and base out of that a Taiwan War doesn’t give.

The US army might still keep a casualty ratio of 3:1 or even 5:1 but that each US soldier is worth more to the US, politically, than the Chinese care about there.

The stakes would have to be much higher than this and definitely not of the US's own making.

 

[7437]

50 cents has been deposited into your bank account.

The Republic of china also doesn't recognize Taiwan as a country. No one does.

It's a question of who you think is the real government of China, and the answer is pretty obvious by now.