I'm not trying to bash at all.I'm simply debating and voicing an argument.I personally think that the 10th Planet system is inferior to BJJ,but not on here saying it sucks or complete BS. I'm just curious why so little results are produced but Eddie isn't changing or adapting his system or that the students don't question it.BJJ has always been result based.If we never saw GIA or BJJ's results in MMA,most of us would put BJJ in the same category as TKD. When 10th Planet is challenged for results, there are excuses. Their top black belts don't compete at the top tourneys,the rules are not to their liking,they don't have enough schools, or they simply claim guys that were elite before 10th Planet(Vinny) or guys that train elsewhere(Konstatin). Im not seeing Denny who is supposedly their most competitive black belt,compete at any of the big tourneys even though he is young and doesn't work a job.
Ok, I get what you're saying. The problems you're having are 1. you're categorizing 10th planet as entirely separate from BJJ 2. ignoring results 3. not considering the factors behind the results.
1. 10th planet BJJ IS BJJ. It's just in a different format, different clothes, different philosophy, additional attacks. It's more of a style. Eddie Bravo's style. BJJ isn't superior or inferior.
2. Pardon my lack of reading comprehension, but it seems like you're implying that 10th planet's results should fall into a similar category as TKD? If so, you're denying the results. Not everyone is going to be a great grappler. Not every school is going to produce champs. And even with all that, considering the small representation that 10th planet has, their guys still do well. The results show that rubber guard works (Vinny Mag, Shinya Aoki). The results show that the truck works (Alan Belcher). The results show that lock down works (Anderson Silva...even though all he was doing was the leg work to control the leg). I mean, nowadays, how many great BJJ guys do well in MMA? Does that mean BJJ sucks? No. The best indicator at elite levels is to see how the tools work with the elite competitors. So the fact that Vinny has used these moves at the elite level shows that the moves work where other practitioners may fail. It seems that you're being selective about which results you look at.
3. It's silly to look at results as: Origin, conclusion. I mean, you can say there's a problem. But you're not identifying the problem. But what's going on in between. Again, 10th planet accounts for less than 1% of all BB's. How could you expect this small crop of BB's to be champs in everything? It's unrealistic. I mean, these BB's can keep up with average Joe BB's. Why can't they keep up with the elite levels? Maybe because of a number of factors. Athletic ability. Lack of high level training partners. They're still new-ish BB's. But the system's effectiveness makes a ton of sense when you put it in the hands of someone who does have athletic ability, high level training partners, and years upon years of BB experience. Vinny Mag, whether you like it or not, is an example that the system does work. Why aren't there more champs? I'd say that maybe if 10th planet guys focused on IBJJF strategies like other schools, we might see more 10th planet success. But the same rules apply to 10th planet as they do to all schools. Why don't other schools have more champs? The answer always goes back to the competitor. Maybe the competitor just isn't that good.
All that said, I'm not a kool aid drinker. I know there are things that need to be improved on. Fundamentals. Strength and conditioning. Gameplanning. Competition teams. Rule oriented rolling. But to act like 10th planet isn't good just because they're not winning golds at IBJJF comps (and elite competitors don't attend more sub oriented comps), you might as well spit in the face of every BJJ school that doesn't have an elite champ. And take a dump on every BJJ BB who hasn't won the mundials. That's the direction your logic is heading.
