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International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

Does Mandy Patinkin have a valid point?


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As far as true believers go, it's basically an unholy alliance of all the worst factions of US politics. You have:

1) Neoliberals who see Israel as a useful foothold for the US in the middle east

2) Evangelicals who support Israel because of their end-times nonsense

3) Fascists who view Israel as a bulwark against the "brown third world horde"

Mind you, these factions aren't necessarily mutually exclusive (there's a lot of overlap between 2 and 3 in particular), but that's it in a nutshell.

There's also a lot of support because of AIPAC money, whether it's directly funding politicians, or manufacturing consent among the general public through propaganda.
 
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I'll add that boomers in the US are overwhelmingly Christian, and since Jesus was a Jew, they probably feel its their religious duty to support Israel.

Thats my take. It might not be as big a factor as I think

EDIT: this was originally a reply to another thread about "why the USA has always supported and funded Israel", and that thread got moved to the JIDF containment zone.
 
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I'll add that boomers in the US are overwhelmingly Evangelical Protestants, and since Jesus was a Jew, they probably feel its their religious duty to support Israel.

Thats my take. It might not be as big a factor as I think

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There is an enormous distinction to be drawn where biblical theology and eschatology are concerned. @Spam On Rye was bringing it up in various threads before he got axed, but it went over people's heads.

Dispensationalism is a Christian theological framework for interpreting the Christian Bible which maintains that history is divided into multiple ages called "dispensations" in which God interacts with his chosen people in different ways. Dispensationalists use a literal interpretation of the Bible and believe that divine revelation unfolds throughout its narrative. They believe in Premillennialism, Christian Zionism, a Rapture of Christians before the expected Second Coming of Jesus, and that there is a distinction between Israel and the Church. Dispensationalism has become popular within American Evangelicalism and is commonly found in non-denominational Bible churches, as well as among Baptist, Charismatic, and Pentecostal groups.

^^ That isn't this, and they are more or less incompatible frameworks within the generalized "Christian" label. This is why someone such as @Rob Battisti doesn't lick Israel's ass like Ted Cruz, Babylon Bee, or Fox News Boomers. There is no duty for Catholic and Orthodox Christians to support the modern geopolitical entity of Israel.

Supersessionism, also called fulfillment theology, is the Christian doctrine that the Christian Church has superseded the Jewish people, assuming their role as God's covenanted people, thus asserting that the New Covenant through Jesus Christ has superseded or replaced the Mosaic covenant. Supersessionists hold that the universal (Catholic) Church has become God's "true Israel" and thus Christians are the People of God. Often claimed to have originated with Paul the Apostle in the New Testament, supersessionism has formed a core tenet of Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches for the majority of their history. Many early Church Fathers—including Justin Martyr and Augustine of Hippo—were supersessionist. The theology that religious Jews dissent by continuing to exist outside the Church is extensive in Catholic liturgy and literature.
 
It's very simple: Do you consider the quotes from IDF soldiers in that article credible or not? Beacuse all I see is handwiaving and attempts to deflect in your "sources," without addressing the core foundation of that reporting.

If you're using Honest Reporting, that's the equivalent of leaning on Project Veritas. Mostly bunk.
You didn’t read the links I provided for you.
 
I'll add that boomers in the US are overwhelmingly Christian, and since Jesus was a Jew, they probably feel its their religious duty to support Israel.

Thats my take. It might not be as big a factor as I think

I think the boomer Christian angle is overblown. It's more because they're the only ones that still watch Fox News and that tells them to suck Israel's dick.
 
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There is an enormous distinction to be drawn where biblical theology and eschatology are concerned. @Spam On Rye was bringing it up in various threads before he got axed, but it went over people's heads.

Dispensationalism is a Christian theological framework for interpreting the Christian Bible which maintains that history is divided into multiple ages called "dispensations" in which God interacts with his chosen people in different ways. Dispensationalists use a literal interpretation of the Bible and believe that divine revelation unfolds throughout its narrative. They believe in Premillennialism, Christian Zionism, a Rapture of Christians before the expected Second Coming of Jesus, and that there is a distinction between Israel and the Church. Dispensationalism has become popular within American Evangelicalism and is commonly found in non-denominational Bible churches, as well as among Baptist, Charismatic, and Pentecostal groups.

^^ That isn't this, and they are more or less incompatible frameworks within the generalized "Christian" label. This is why someone such as @Rob Battisti doesn't lick Israel's ass like Ted Cruz, Babylon Bee, or Fox News Boomers. There is no duty for Catholic and Orthodox Christians to support the modern geopolitical entity of Israel.

Supersessionism, also called fulfillment theology, is the Christian doctrine that the Christian Church has superseded the Jewish people, assuming their role as God's covenanted people, thus asserting that the New Covenant through Jesus Christ has superseded or replaced the Mosaic covenant. Supersessionists hold that the universal (Catholic) Church has become God's "true Israel" and thus Christians are the People of God. Often claimed to have originated with Paul the Apostle in the New Testament, supersessionism has formed a core tenet of Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches for the majority of their history. Many early Church Fathers—including Justin Martyr and Augustine of Hippo—were supersessionist. The theology that religious Jews dissent by continuing to exist outside the Church is extensive in Catholic liturgy and literature.
Do you think guys like Ted Cruz actually believe it or use it as a convenient excuse?
 
These belligerent maniacs in Israel can't stop blowing people up. The world is unsafe with these people in power. The daily slaughter in Gaza isn't enough to satiate their blood lust.

I guess getting rid of Assad wasn't enough, and the bromance with the Al Qaeda leader is over...



And once again, Trump is being a total CUCK to Israel. He just got done lifting sanctions and normalizing relations with Syria, and this is what the Terrorist State of Israel does immediately after. Are we even going to get another "They don't know what the FUCK they're doing!" again, right before he sends them more bombs?
 
These belligerent maniacs in Israel can't stop blowing people up. The world is unsafe with these people in power. The daily slaughter in Gaza isn't enough to satiate their blood lust.

I guess getting rid of Assad wasn't enough, and the bromance with the Al Qaeda leader is over...



And once again, Trump is being a total CUCK to Israel. He just got done lifting sanctions and normalizing relations with Syria, and this is what the Terrorist State of Israel does immediately after. Are we even going to get another "They don't know what the FUCK they're doing!" again, right before he sends them more bombs?

I mean if we're gonna talk about certain groups of people and blowing up civilians....

....people in glass houses shouldn't launch grenades, rocket launchers and exploding back packs, or thousands upon thousands of rockets.
 
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There is an enormous distinction to be drawn where biblical theology and eschatology are concerned. @Spam On Rye was bringing it up in various threads before he got axed, but it went over people's heads.

Dispensationalism is a Christian theological framework for interpreting the Christian Bible which maintains that history is divided into multiple ages called "dispensations" in which God interacts with his chosen people in different ways. Dispensationalists use a literal interpretation of the Bible and believe that divine revelation unfolds throughout its narrative. They believe in Premillennialism, Christian Zionism, a Rapture of Christians before the expected Second Coming of Jesus, and that there is a distinction between Israel and the Church. Dispensationalism has become popular within American Evangelicalism and is commonly found in non-denominational Bible churches, as well as among Baptist, Charismatic, and Pentecostal groups.

^^ That isn't this, and they are more or less incompatible frameworks within the generalized "Christian" label. This is why someone such as @Rob Battisti doesn't lick Israel's ass like Ted Cruz, Babylon Bee, or Fox News Boomers. There is no duty for Catholic and Orthodox Christians to support the modern geopolitical entity of Israel.

Supersessionism, also called fulfillment theology, is the Christian doctrine that the Christian Church has superseded the Jewish people, assuming their role as God's covenanted people, thus asserting that the New Covenant through Jesus Christ has superseded or replaced the Mosaic covenant. Supersessionists hold that the universal (Catholic) Church has become God's "true Israel" and thus Christians are the People of God. Often claimed to have originated with Paul the Apostle in the New Testament, supersessionism has formed a core tenet of Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches for the majority of their history. Many early Church Fathers—including Justin Martyr and Augustine of Hippo—were supersessionist. The theology that religious Jews dissent by continuing to exist outside the Church is extensive in Catholic liturgy and literature.
I appreciate the thoughtful reply, and I'll take the time to check out some of these links. The core differences between the various denominations are something that I've always been curious about
 
1. Why the fuck would they let the media in that is constantly doing their best to vilify Israel as much as possible. They will undoubtedly manipulate the coverage in every way possible. Not to mention the possibility of them exposing any military positions etc.

Fox News, which is still the number 1 news channel in the US, constantly does damage control for Israel and justifies it's actions at every turn.

2. You think Hamas will present to them the truth or give them a propaganda piece? The reporters don't even have to be actively trying to distort the truth they are probably not even going to be able to vet what is the truth or not since they will be spoon fed everything there from the terrorist organization.

So Israel is incapable of distorting the truth? How naive.

3. It's dangerous as fuck. Hamas could very well take them as hostage, something they have done in the past.

LMAO no one believes this bullshit that Israel cares *SO MUCH* about the welfare of war journalists that they can't let them in.
 
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I appreciate the thoughtful reply, and I'll take the time to check out some of these links. The core differences between the various denominations are something that I've always been curious about

I mean, it's probably easier to distinguish them between Catholic and Not Catholic (Protestant), lol. If for no other reason than all Protestant denominations subscribing to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura (scripture alone) and Sola Fide (salvation through faith alone). The Bible, that's it. But they sure as fuck aren't in any sort of unified agreement on the interpretation of scripture or its theological ramifications. Everyone is ultimately their own pope and magisterium at the end of the day, so now there are tens of thousands of different 'Christian' demoninations "denominations".

Catholicism places high value on scripture -- the church literally circulated, compiled, and formally canonized the New Testament -- with the four gospels (plus Acts of the Apostles detailing the history of the early church) being given an elevated position within the liturgy, but it views scripture alone as insufficient. So, it has creeds to summarize the core beliefs of the faith (i.e., apostles creed, nicene creed); sacraments as practices and visible signs to confer grace (i.e., baptism, confirmation, eucharist, penance, matrimony, last rites, holy orders); patristics (study of the writings and teaching of early church fathers), paraliturgical devotions (i.e., rosary, novenas, eucharistic adoration) and structured prayers (i.e., sign of the cross, lord's prayer, glory be, hail mary) to extend worship into daily life.

There are also several doctrines unique to it that are either not found or rejected by Protestant denominations, including but not limited to the primacy of St. Peter and apostolic succession, the real presence of Christ in the eucharist (transubstantiation), salvation through faith and good works, the concept of purgatory, the immaculate conception and assumption of Mary (Mother of God), the communion and intercession of saints, the veneration of sacred art, music, and relics. It is Religion with a Capital R, not "read your bible and interpret it however the fuck, have a personal relationship with jeebus, and listen to Pastor Pete rant about fire and brimstone for 90 minutes on Sunday" that dominates American Christianity.

And then there is the core of core differences.



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None of this even deals with the cultural interface of the church as the longest surviving institution in the history of Western Civilization, but this post has run long enough. Hey, let's check in on the Charismatic Pentecostals (founded in the early 1900s).



Our country is so fucking nuts.



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I think the boomer Christian angle is overblown. It's more because they're the only ones that still watch Fox News and that tells them to suck Israel's dick.
When I first read this, I thought there was no way Fox was popular enough to be a real factor in Israel support, then I looked it up.... #1 lol

Nearly 30% of liberals watch it too, and it's not just boomers. 25-54 is the largest demographic overall.

My dad watches it, but I can't stand it. They just repeat the same stuff over and over.

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What a shit show



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