Why do you dislike Bernie Sanders?

[electricfuneral]

She isnt the greatest thing ever but she is an effective congresswoman and I think is a good person at heart. She has always looked out for her constituents.

I can say I am a fan of her's. I don't know why some dislike her other then absurd CTs.

You don't know why some dislike her?

 

[ShadowRun]

Sanders is gullible and bat shit crazy I would rather have evil Clinton than him. But I rather have Sanders > Fiorina

 

[Trotsky]

Eisenhower is a capitalist. Bernie is Communist, big difference there commie worshipper.

I have a feeling you're being sardonic.

Both are capitalists. But Eisenhower taxed the highest bracket at 85-90%. Sanders wants to tax them at 54%.

So I guess Eisenhower is the communist, eh?

You're right. He's a Democratic Socialist.

Just like Valdimir Lenin, who created the term.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

You, I believe, are genuine, so I'll address you as such. He's not a democratic socialist. At all. I am one.

I am not sure why Bernie Sanders identifies himself as a democratic socialist: I presume that he believes "social democrat" would confuse voters with partisan connotation. But that's what he is. He believes in privatized modes of production and doesn't wish to exert public/worker ownership over anything. As was discussed in another thread by I believe Ghandi, he isn't even left enough to really be considered a social democrat because he has no designs towards rolling his policies into socialist classlessness.

All Sanders wants to do is tax and spend in a more egalitarian manner to lessen inequity and stimulate growth.
A socialist wants to commandeer industry and production to the working class towards making a classless society.
You see the huge difference, right?

it's important that you at least try to understand political and economic terminology before you throw it around, even if the misnomer is promoted by the man himself.

 

[glennrod]

If it walks like a cuck.....

 

[Lustercross]

Lol conservatives come off as brainless dimwits.

 

[kpt018]

The overall beef I have with Bernie (as a liberal) is that he wants a big revolution, a fundamental change to the way we live. And quite frankly, I don't think we need one. I'm down with consistent progress with many of the same things Bernie believes in, but we don't need a revolution to have progress.

The other issue is that his policies would have negative outcomes. He does honestly try to confront them but I think he has issues with his policies.

 

[TeTe]

I like him a lot more than most politicians because he's a lot more honest.

I like his foreign policy because it's sort of non-intervention... and being a libertarian, I agree with this. I also agree with a lot of his social issues stances.

But I certainly disagree with a lot of his fiscal policies. At least the guy isn't consistent and not a shill.

 

[Bubblun]

It's crazy how apparently in the USA you can't say "socialism" without a bunch of illiterate, racist yankees go on mass hysteria.
Some of you are still victim of Cold War propaganda.
Nobody is stealing your goods, commies don't eat children, nobody is being decapitated in the name of the Revolution.

In my Country we are so used to "Democratic Socialism" that the main Centre-Left Party is now the one who protect the bankers and represent plutarchy, fucking hell.

Sanders is the man that the USA needs, if Sanders does what he says the world would be a better place.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I don't hate him, and honestly, he's probably the most genuine politician running. I believe his heart is in the place...

But many of his positions and proposals just aren't realistic.

 

[King Joffery]

Egypt was a success
Libya was a humanitarian intervention
Afghanistan was a success
Syria is a humanitarian issue. What you defend Assad the Butcher? He needs to go. We don't have to physically force him out but we should do all in our power to help the oppressed people in Syria.

Too right I'll defend Assad the butcher. In that shithole that is the ME you need a dictator to rule with an iron fist, removing him would be retarded, on a par with removing Saddam, probably even more retarded since we should have learned how the regime change in Iraq went. Assad is fine, he isn't a religious fanatic but if he does fall the fanatics will rule.

The USA has had a hand in the subtle and not-so-subtle art of regime change for a long time. I've a hard time recalling a successful intervention. Perhaps there have been some without the US' hand ever being exposed. Oh, one weak example does come to mind, but the regime change was only successful because of a tremendous wave of popular opposition and the fact that we were the supporters of the despotic regime in the first place (The removal of the dictator Ferdinand Marcos from office).

Still thats a pretty poor track record when it comes to regime change, we should be working with Russia to stop those supply ISIS lines into Turkey. Screw the rebels, they're not the goodies like the media makes out and most in fact sympathise with ISIS, if Assad want to take revenge on them I say let him, its his business.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

You, I believe, are genuine, so I'll address you as such. He's not a democratic socialist. At all. I am one.

I am not sure why Bernie Sanders identifies himself as a democratic socialist: I presume that he believes "social democrat" would confuse voters with partisan connotation. But that's what he is.

He says Democratic Socialist, because more accurately referring to himself as a Socialist, doesn't do himself any favors when trying to get himself elected.

He believes in privatized modes of production and doesn't wish to exert public/worker ownership over anything. As was discussed in another thread by I believe Ghandi, he isn't even left enough to really be considered a social democrat because he has no designs towards rolling his policies into socialist classlessness.

All Sanders wants to do is tax and spend in a more egalitarian manner to lessen inequity and stimulate growth.
A socialist wants to commandeer industry and production to the working class towards making a classless society.
You see the huge difference, right?

I can appreciate the theory, but it's never been achieved. It goes against human nature, punishes achievement, and results in mass poverty in every occurance - the exact opposite of it's stated goals.

We have great example in Venezuela. We can see their infrastructure crumble by the day.

it's important that you at least try to understand political and economic terminology before you throw it around, even if the misnomer is promoted by the man himself.

I am very educated in the political terms used by both sides of the isle.

And it is a fact the term 'Democratic Socialism' was first created by Vladimir Lenin in 1919, as a way to lie to the populace of the form of government he was go impose upon them, it ended up being communism.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don't hate him, and honestly, he's probably the most genuine politician running. I believe his heart is in the place...

But many of his positions and proposals just aren't realistic.

Dude, aren't you a Trump supporter? I agree that some of Sanders' proposals aren't well-thought-out or realistic, but Trump takes that shit to another level.

 

[King Joffery]

Na Trump is a far more pragmatic man than Bernie.

 

[ShadowRun]

If it walks like a cuck.....

oh yea and this .. lost so much respect for him when he folded like a lawn chair and those loud mouths took his mic and don't give me some BS about Trump or blah blah .. Clinton wouldn't of taken that, you see how much other leaders of country troll, poke and stir the pot. plus respect the alpha

 

[King Joffery]

Imagine Bernie as our leader meeting Putin lol. It would be like the Game of Thrones equivalent of sending Tommen into a meeting with Ramsey Bolton.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Imagine Bernie as our leader meeting Putin lol. It would be like the Game of Thrones equivalent of sending Tommen into a meeting with Ramsey Bolton.

This Putin admiration is hilarious. The dude is a bumbling fool running a shithole country. Bernie doesn't project a huge amount of competence, but he's way smarter than Putin and would have a much better team and bargaining position on every issue. Trump is the only presidential candidate we've had in the past 50 years (just stopping randomly) who couldn't run circles around Putin.

 

[chardog]

Maybe, but an honest one if he is, which is more then you can say for any other candidate.

hard to get behind a cuck even if an honest one and good for the nation.

 

[BOWHUNTER]

He is a loser who has zero understanding of econimcs. Hes a piece of shit who didnt have a real job until age 40.

 

[King Joffery]

This Putin admiration is hilarious. The dude is a bumbling fool running a shithole country. Bernie doesn't project a huge amount of competence, but he's way smarter than Putin and would have a much better team and bargaining position on every issue. Trump is the only presidential candidate we've had in the past 50 years (just stopping randomly) who couldn't run circles around Putin.

Bumbling idiot? The dude has an approval rating in the high eighties, he knows what he is doing. Russia is far more stable under Putin than it was before he took over. I'd love to have Putin leading us definitely the most alpha leader in the world, Trump is the next best thing though.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

sanders is a dick. all that "lets talk about the issues" shit was easy when it was just starting. now him and his crotchety cunt of a campaign manager can't stop bitching and moaning like a couple of sorority girls crying that the store won't take their coupon for half off bottles of sake.

turns out he's just a sore fuckin loser with a big mouth and a tiny dick ego.