Why do world class kickboxers always get KOd by mma fighters with mediocre striking?

[bigbangspiritbomb]

Proof that a top pro boxer would get KOd by his own game (standing punches) in MMA?

Oh right


There is none

Proof that your testosterone isn't low? Wait wut?

 

[milenss]

Cuz MMA is the superior sport homie!!

 

[Boevik]

have

Proof that a top pro boxer would get KOd by his own game (standing punches) in MMA?

Oh right


There is none

 

[Mattitude V1]

Yes. With ground and pound. On the feet:

What else you got MMA noob?

No one countered with this?

 

[Mattitude V1]

So Alistair Overeem, a man who has fought in MMA since 1999, is your example for a pro boxer competing in MMA against MMA fighters?

 

[Z28MARO]

To be fair to his point though- a key thing for boxers is to duck, shoulder role etc. That would not help in MMA, you would duck into a kick to the face...

 

[Mattitude V1]

This is so silly.

Suddenly you've never seen someone duck into a headkick?

 

[Zeppeling]

Randlemann KOd cro cop
Travis browne KOd Overeem
Gonzaga KOd cro cop
Ernest hoost TKOd by bob fucking sapp.
Semmy schilt, The most decorated kickboxer in history, was KOd by Gilbert Yvel, an mma fighter who has a kickboxing record of 1-1.

We would never see guys like floyd, sergey Kovalev, or GGG get outboxed or KOd by punches if they fought in an mma match. We would never see damian maia, werdum, or jacare get subbed by mma fighters with mediocre bjj. So why are top
Kickboxers getting kicked in the face by dudes who dont even train kickboxing full
Time?

There's a reason why top boxers, or even middling or lower boxers don't try mma. It's an unquestionably different sport that can very well utilize lot s of aspects of boxing. However much of boxing relies on clinching, leaning on, and blocking with gloves. In mma those techniques either land you on your ass, eating elbows, knees, leg kicks, or taking clean shots due t smaller gloves.

 

[Glove]

each of his points are refuted soundly yet he still replies back with one word responses, idiocy, and mocking unawareness/ignorance...and people are still responding 12 hours later.

he's not only a troll, but he wins. that you didn't know you were playing is a small consolation i'm sure.

Well i'd like to think of it this way, the responses to him aren't just for him to read but for others who are posting and are just reading. The informative comments from other posters in essence are helping inform those who are willing to learn. I will consider myself one of them. Yes he may win the trolling aspect, but for me and others willing to learn, we are learning.

 

[guard_passer]

Not a world
Class top boxer

 

[guard_passer]

Proof that your testosterone isn't low? Wait wut?

U mad

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Randlemann KOd cro cop
Travis browne KOd Overeem
Gonzaga KOd cro cop
Ernest hoost TKOd by bob fucking sapp.
Semmy schilt, The most decorated kickboxer in history, was KOd by Gilbert Yvel, an mma fighter who has a kickboxing record of 1-1.

We would never see guys like floyd, sergey Kovalev, or GGG get outboxed or KOd by punches if they fought in an mma match. We would never see damian maia, werdum, or jacare get subbed by mma fighters with mediocre bjj. So why are top
Kickboxers getting kicked in the face by dudes who dont even train kickboxing full
Time?

because no matter how good you are at striking.... there is always a risk involved when you engage on the feet.

thats why striking is far more exciting than something like wrestling.....wrestlers look to remove all risk from a fight, strikers embrace the risk

 

[guard_passer]

because no matter how good you are at striking.... there is always a risk involved when you engage on the feet.

thats why striking is far more exciting than something like wrestling.....wrestlers look to remove all risk from a fight, strikers embrace the risk

disagree. strikers who understand how to use defensive boxing are aware on how to avoid punches.


AKA Floyd.

kickboxers have no concept of defensive striking. they just stand in front of each other and trade

 

[guard_passer]

No one countered with this?

that world class k1 defensive striking

 

[Aluminati]

Randlemann KOd cro cop
Travis browne KOd Overeem
Gonzaga KOd cro cop
Ernest hoost TKOd by bob fucking sapp.
Semmy schilt, The most decorated kickboxer in history, was KOd by Gilbert Yvel, an mma fighter who has a kickboxing record of 1-1.

We would never see guys like floyd, sergey Kovalev, or GGG get outboxed or KOd by punches if they fought in an mma match. We would never see damian maia, werdum, or jacare get subbed by mma fighters with mediocre bjj. So why are top
Kickboxers getting kicked in the face by dudes who dont even train kickboxing full
Time?

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[MayhemMonkey]

disagree. strikers who understand how to use defensive boxing are aware on how to avoid punches.


AKA Floyd.

kickboxers have no concept of defensive striking. they just stand in front of each other and trade

yeah they are aware.... but they are still at risk during each striking exchange. also its just retarded to say kickboxers have no concept of defensive striking, so maybe just stop talking about something you dont understand

so disagree all you want, you are still wrong

 

[guard_passer]

yeah they are aware.... but they are still at risk during each striking exchange. also its just retarded to say kickboxers have no concept of defensive striking, so maybe just stop talking about something you dont understand

so disagree all you want, you are still wrong

they really don't have any

yeah they are aware.... but they are still at risk during each striking exchange. also its just retarded to say kickboxers have no concept of defensive striking, so maybe just stop talking about something you dont understand

so disagree all you want, you are still wrong

concept of striking defense. especially boxing defense. when a kickboxer gets tagged in the boxing department their head movement ids nonexistant. they just continue to let their face be a punching bag. plenty of examples of this. but here are a couple: cerrone vs Diaz/Cerrone vs Masvidal

 

[MayhemMonkey]

they really don't have any

concept of striking defense. especially boxing defense. when a kickboxer gets tagged in the boxing department their head movement ids nonexistant. they just continue to let their face be a punching bag. plenty of examples of this. but here are a couple: cerrone vs Diaz/Cerrone vs Masvidal

Cerrone isnt a high level kickboxer though, so wtf are you talking about?

 

[campbecc]

always?

 

[guard_passer]

Cerrone isnt a high level kickboxer though, so wtf are you talking about?

I provided plenty of world class kick boxers in the OP. I just gave you another example of boxing in Emma vs kickboxing, you're obviously mad because you're a KB nut hugger. *looks at based sig*