Why do we have more censorship now than in the 80s? FFS

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So, just watching Sixteen Candles on AMC at 11:55 PM on a weekened...you know the station that will show zombies eating each other while saying every swear except fuck on a sunday at 9 PM-- and guess what one of the things that is censored now that was not on network tv in the 80s? Retard.

"maybe she's retarded" gets fucking beeped.

I am sure they cut our "you're total :eek::eek::eek:" and some of the long duck dong shit

Like the damn PMRC without religion


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thanks to the regressive facist left.
 
Just a year back I couldn't call you a racoon on sherdog but now I can call you a fucking racoon without any consequences and for that I love sherdog
 
Its retarded in the truest sense of the word. People with developmental disabilities are awesome. Censors, zealots, most politicians etc etc are fucking retards.
 
Cause feels.
 
The world has gone to hell. No one understands why our freedoms--even the freedoms to offend and be an asshole--are important. No one even understands civil rights anymore.

I'll give you a perfect example.

A little while back I had a friend who was a black female. She was a sensitive soul, and unfortunately sometimes her sensitivities made her feel like she had a right to suppress the rights of others.

One time we got onto the subject of Neo-Nazis. She told me that she felt like it should be illegal for someone to publicly wear apparel with a swastika on it because "it would make her feel unsafe" and no one has a right to make someone else feel unsafe.

To clarify, I asked, "So you mean even if he's not doing anything to you and all he's doing is standing there minding his own business, you think that should be illegal?"

I tried to explain that expressing oneself through apparel, even when that expression is controversial or even hateful, is part of the important and Constitutionally protected right of free speech. And that to censor ANY opinion, no matter how extreme, leads to censorship on a greater and greater scale. How long would it be then before something SHE wants to say is deemed a crime?

She didn't give a shit. She was the epitome of that kind of person that Franklin warned us about, those who would surrender their liberty to purchase a little temporary safety. And I think America--and the world at large, really--is full of such people.
 
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Just a year back I couldn't call you a racoon on sherdog but now I can call you a fucking racoon without any consequences and for that I love sherdog

Punch that racoon right in the esophagus.
 
Because we are living in a world where everyone is offended by everything.
 
I tried to explain that expressing oneself through apparel, even when that expression is controversial or even hateful, is part of the important and Constitutionally protected right of free speech. And that to censor ANY opinion, no matter how extreme, leads to the censorship on a greater and greater scale. How long would it be then before something SHE wants to say is deemed a crime?

She didn't give a shit. She was the epitome of that kind of person that Franklin warned us about, those who would surrender their liberty to purchase a little temporary safety. And I think America--and the world at large, really--is full of such people.

That's an opinion, and a fair one to hold, but not a statement of a universal law.

Germany does not allow display of the swastika, and what problematic censorship has resulted?

Canada also has free speech laws, but does not permit hate speech. It is specifically unprotected, and to my knowledge, it hasn't led to censorship of anything other than hate speech.
 
That's an opinion, and a fair one to hold, but not a statement of a universal law.

Germany does not allow display of the swastika, and what problematic censorship has resulted?

Canada also has free speech laws, but does not permit hate speech. It is specifically unprotected, and to my knowledge, it hasn't led to censorship of anything other than hate speech.

I'm obviously speaking as an American. And I'm also speaking in generalities.

We can look back through history and point to specific examples of how dictatorial regimes use suppression of liberties as a tool to gain more power and control over the people.

I believe that it's best to just not take the risk. Don't allow the water to be thrown onto that slope in the first place to make it slippery.

We've actually seen an example of this in the US with guns. There was a time when it was just taken for granted that you'd own one and to carry it with you was no unusual thing to do.

And then it was decided that you had to have a permit to carry one. And it was illegal to own certain kinds of guns. And it was illegal to load your gun with a magazine that held more than a certain number of rounds. And then they imposed background checks. And then. . .

You see how it goes? The same thing could very well happen to speech.
 
I'm obviously speaking as an American. And I'm also speaking in generalities.

We can look back through history and point to specific examples of how dictatorial regimes use suppression of liberties as a tool to gain more power and control over the people.

I believe that it's best to just not take the risk. Don't allow the water to be thrown onto that slope in the first place to make it slippery.

We've actually seen an example of this in the US with guns. There was a time when it was just taken for granted that you'd own one and to carry it with you was no unusual thing to do.

Then you had to have a permit to carry one. And it was illegal to own certain kinds of guns. And it was illegal to load your gun with a magazine that held more than a certain number of rounds. And then they imposed background checks. And then. . .

You see how it goes? The same thing could very well happen to speech.

Again, look at the gun laws in other civilized countries and see how "gun censorship" has generally had a favorable result. The chances of being shot in Canada are much lower than in America.

As to the slippery slope...

The same argument has been used for everything. Take gay marriage. How many protestors insisted that once you let gays marry, it would be no time before people were marrying dogs, umbrellas and tractors. But nobody has married a tree, because reasonable lines can be drawn and adhered to. Marriage hasn't descended down a slippery slope into utter chaos where women are marrying chickens.

How important is it to protect the freedom of someone to deny the Holocaust or protest with ":eek::eek::eek: Troops" signs at the funerals of dead soldiers? Tradeoffs always have to be made somewhere.
 
Again, look at the gun laws in other civilized countries and see how "gun censorship" has generally had a favorable result. The chances of being shot in Canada are much lower than in America.

Two things on this:

1. Someone who is intent on doing harm will find a way.

2. Criminals will always find a way to get guns. That's why they're criminals. They do illegal shit. Do you really want to live in a society that mandates that, when faced with a gun wielding criminal who has found a way to get a gun one way or another, your only legal recourse is your fists and feet? I don't.

There's also the simple matter of liberty here. As the saying goes, "guns don't kill people, people kill people." So what right does the government have to tell me I can't own this tool when I've done nothing to prove myself irresponsible in such ownership?

Lastly, and this is just as important if not more important than the question of self-defense, it says in the Declaration of Independence that when a government is no longer serving the needs of the people it is not only the right but the duty of Americans to "cast off such government."

Is it likely that we'll ever be forced to do this? I don't know. Not today, maybe not tomorrow, but on down the road? Very possible. And a well-armed citizenry would be essential to this task.

As to the slippery slope...

The same argument has been used for everything. Take gay marriage. How many protestors insisted that once you let gays marry, it would be no time before people were marrying dogs, umbrellas and tractors. But nobody has married a tree, because reasonable lines can be drawn and adhered to. Marriage hasn't descended down a slippery slope into utter chaos where women are marrying chickens.

The error you're making here is that you're not looking for enough into the future. You're chipping and putting here instead of driving. It takes time for ideas to incubate and develop to maturity.

If you want a real-world example of people doing crazy shit like you describe because it slowly became accepted within their society, look to Japan. This is the land where people are in long-term relationships with their computers and with robots.

Don't think that, given enough time and enough "acceptance" from the American community, that it can't happen here.

Besides, on the slippery slope, I already showed you how it works with guns. So it DOES happen. The comeback of "but do we really need to own guns?" doesn't really address the issue of the slow and compounding erosion of rights.

How important is it to protect the freedom of someone to deny the Holocaust or protest with ":eek::eek::eek: Troops" signs at the funerals of dead soldiers? Tradeoffs always have to be made somewhere.

Extremely important. Not because I have any legitimate regard for that particular viewpoint, but because I feel like the right to have ideas and express those ideas--no matter how outlandish--should be inalienable.

Now, I don't believe that I should have the right to unduly harass a person (and what constitutes harassment could be a whole other discussion), but to hold an opinion, to publish a book with this opinion, to express this viewpoint over the Internet or radio, to hold meetings with likeminded folk, to engage in reasonable and lawful protests where this opinion is expressed. . . Yes, I think it's extremely important that we maintain this right.

You reference the Westboro Baptist group. That's just about the most reprehensible bunch of people I've ever encountered. And there have been times when I've seen their bullshit and gotten SO PISSED because of how unreasonably retarded they're acting. But as far as I'm concerned, wanting their actions to be criminally prosecutable by the government is far more criminal than anything they're out there doing.

After all, who is the government to try to determine what types of speech are immoral? What gives them the power to regulate the citizenry in this way? And to get back to that slippery slope, if it's suppression of the "hateful" today, how can we be so sure that it won't be political dissidents tomorrow?
 
There's also the simple matter of liberty here. As the saying goes, "guns don't kill people, people kill people." So what right does the government have to tell me I can't own this tool when I've done nothing to prove myself irresponsible in such ownership?

Nuclear warheads don't kill people. People kill people.

So what right does the government have to tell me I can't own this tool when I've done nothing to prove myself irresponsible in such ownership?

Mustard gas doesn't kill people. People kill people.

So what right does the government have to tell me I can't own this tool when I've done nothing to prove myself irresponsible in such ownership?
 
I'm obviously speaking as an American. And I'm also speaking in generalities.

We can look back through history and point to specific examples of how dictatorial regimes use suppression of liberties as a tool to gain more power and control over the people.

I believe that it's best to just not take the risk. Don't allow the water to be thrown onto that slope in the first place to make it slippery.

We've actually seen an example of this in the US with guns. There was a time when it was just taken for granted that you'd own one and to carry it with you was no unusual thing to do.

And then it was decided that you had to have a permit to carry one. And it was illegal to own certain kinds of guns. And it was illegal to load your gun with a magazine that held more than a certain number of rounds. And then they imposed background checks. And then. . .

You see how it goes? The same thing could very well happen to speech.
I'm actually perfectly fine with all the rules about guns. Especially the background check. In my experience it has stopped multiple shitty irresponsible people (based on past actions) from owning and concealing a firearm, legally.
 
Nuclear warheads don't kill people. People kill people.

So what right does the government have to tell me I can't own this tool when I've done nothing to prove myself irresponsible in such ownership?

Mustard gas doesn't kill people. People kill people.

So what right does the government have to tell me I can't own this tool when I've done nothing to prove myself irresponsible in such ownership?

What right indeed?
 
I'm actually perfectly fine with all the rules about guns. Especially the background check. In my experience it has stopped multiple shitty irresponsible people (based on past actions) from owning and concealing a firearm, legally.

Background checks are the only thing I listed that I'm at least somewhat sympathetic to, but even then there are problems.

For instance, how about private sales? It sounds ridiculous to me that I would need to go through some kind of background check to buy a gun that a friend wants to sell to me. And if they're not going to be implemented in private sales, then why in gun stores?

But the more important issue is privacy. Going through a federal background check gives the government information on what weapons I own. That's none of their fucking business.
 
Background checks are the only thing I listed that I'm at least somewhat sympathetic to, but even then there are problems.

For instance, how about private sales? It sounds ridiculous to me that I would need to go through some kind of background check to buy a gun that a friend wants to sell to me. And if they're not going to be implemented in private sales, then why in gun stores?

But the more important issue is privacy. Going through a federal background check gives the government information on what weapons I own. That's none of their fucking business.

When you insure your car, the government knows about what cars you own. When you get permits for a renovation, the government gets the design of your house. When you fly, the government tracks your travels.

Of all the types of information that are collected about people, I can't really think of many more justifiable ones than people's collections of lethal firearms.

Look at the hoops people have to go through to prove they can drive a car.
 
The world has gone to hell. No one understands why our freedoms--even the freedoms to offend and be an asshole--are important. No one even understands civil rights anymore.

I'll give you a perfect example.

A little while back I had a friend who was a black female. She was a sensitive soul, and unfortunately sometimes her sensitivities made her feel like she had a right to suppress the rights of others.

One time we got onto the subject of Neo-Nazis. She told me that she felt like it should be illegal for someone to publicly wear apparel with a swastika on it because "it would make her feel unsafe" and no one has a right to make someone else feel unsafe.

To clarify, I asked, "So you mean even if he's not doing anything to you and all he's doing is standing there minding his own business, you think that should be illegal?"

I tried to explain that expressing oneself through apparel, even when that expression is controversial or even hateful, is part of the important and Constitutionally protected right of free speech. And that to censor ANY opinion, no matter how extreme, leads to censorship on a greater and greater scale. How long would it be then before something SHE wants to say is deemed a crime?

She didn't give a shit. She was the epitome of that kind of person that Franklin warned us about, those who would surrender their liberty to purchase a little temporary safety. And I think America--and the world at large, really--is full of such people.

I don't see this as a perfect example since she has a legit reason to feel unsafe around someone like that. There is history of people like that physically harming people like her, so yea, while I agree that people are seemingly becoming super sensitive these days, I wouldn't call this an example of that.

A lot of times, I feel the "slippery slope" argument is just hypothetical bs. Let's take drugs for instance. I personally think all drugs should be legal, but as we know, a lot of them aren't. Once it became illegal to use cocaine, cannibus, opium, heroin, etc. etc., one could say, "well, why stop there, they could easily ban any medicince that might make you feel 'loopy', or caffine, or tobacco, or alcohol, or anything that alters the mind in anyway", except that didn't happen. With Prohibition, the populus drew their line, and here we are and even now we are seeing that cannibus shouldn't be illegal, and that's gradually happening. "Slippery slope" = people are too dumb to think for themselves, which I don't think is the case. We always seem to find balance.

...and on a side note, I still find it odd that it's ok to be apart of a group based in unconditional hate for a different group of people for no other reason than that they look different, but if someone said they were a part of ISIS or Al Queda, they'll get a one-way ticket to Guantanamo Bay.
 
Censoring tits or words is crazy.
 
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