Why do so many fighters miss weight now compared to before?

Fucking tiktok. Flat earth bros dont believe in gravity and calories are gay.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
why do so many fighters miss weight compared to the pre-buyout days? seems like broscience guru Mike Dolce and his ilk are better at getting fighters on weight than the mulit-million dollar PI is with all it's super scientific state of the art bullshit it's alleged to have.
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Because fighters cut weight like never before. It has become the norm to cut weight, so everyone is doing it because if you don't, you are at an insane disadvantage compared to others who fight 1-3 weight classes below where they belong.

Add in the ban on IV's - boom. More fighters fail.
 
they cut more + they've got it "down to a science" but a small setback means they're missing weight. they're really pushing it, these days.
 
I didn't notice the dark side of weight cutting until Rumble showed up at 170lbs. It no longer looked like a fair competition and even though it's allowed in the rules it goes against the spirit of the sport. I've rooted against weight bullies ever since. Most of my favorite fighters are guys that cut very little weight or don't cut at all. Jiri, Sakuraba, Fedor, Hendo, BJ, and Crocop come to mind. I don't like Frankie or Garry but I respect their willingness to fight without cutting massive weight.

Rumble eventually won me over as a fan when he moved up to LHW. It's where he truly belonged and had his best performances.

I want to see skills on display. Not who can cut the most weight to gain an advantage.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
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i can accept these reasons, but i also think the amount of events that get put on are also part of it. but what i don't understand is people missing weight by huge amounts, like i said they have multi-million dollar PI center to help them out. wtf is up with that
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Do you have real statistics that verify fighters who are leveraging the PI are missing weight ?

No you don’t.

And fuck you for forcing me to side with the UFC.
 
One more reason: More continents, timezones and atheltic commisions with different times and time frames for the weight cut.
 
Bigger cut attempts. Guys dropping down 2-3 weight classes below walk around weights.

It's gotten pretty pathetic all around in that department.
 
better tasting food and too much time on social media i'm guessing. :D
 
Lawrence said:
Do you have real statistics that verify fighters who are leveraging the PI are missing weight ?

No you don’t.

And fuck you for forcing me to side with the UFC.
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if you're not leveraging the PI, you are an idiot.
 
It's strategic like eyepokes and groin shots. Not cutting those last few pounds is a huge advantage over your opponent. You only lose 20% of your purse but are much more likely to get your 100% win bonus.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
yeah but they're taking considerably less of it and not the best shit
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Theyre taking better shit now, and much more optimized stacks/cycles. The cutting edge PEDs are ahead of testing and the science on optimized stacks and cycles has only gotten better with time, only with doctors who specialize in athlete doping and bloodwork etc.

Olympic athletes are tested far more strictly than UFC fighters or NBA/NFL guys. Sprinters and lifters aren't getting slower or weaker. And the testimonies that they've passed dozens if not hundreds of tests while doping and it's under WADA...should raise eyebrows. The WADA agent who broke down catching Liu Xiao Jun basically said it can take years, focused testing on specific teams and hundreds of thousands of dollars of extra resources to reliably catch someone whos intelligent about it and that it does take such ridiculous efforts and resources to RELIABLY catch them.

Maybe they have to be more mindful of certain things in the UFC now as opposed to 15-20 years ago. But yeah, his is pie in the sky horseshit they aren't doping or taking as good of stuff.
 
HuskySamoan said:
Theyre taking better shit now, and much more optimized stacks/cycles. The cutting edge PEDs are ahead of testing and the science on optimized stacks and cycles has only gotten better with time, only with doctors who specialize in athlete doping and bloodwork etc.

Olympic athletes are tested far more strictly than UFC fighters or NBA/NFL guys. Sprinters and lifters aren't getting slower or weaker. And the testimonies that they've passed dozens if not hundreds of tests while doping and it's under WADA...should raise eyebrows. The WADA agent who broke down catching Liu Xiao Jun basically said it can take years, focused testing on specific teams and hundreds of thousands of dollars of extra resources to reliably catch someone whos intelligent about it and that it does take such ridiculous efforts and resources to RELIABLY catch them.

Maybe they have to be more mindful of certain things in the UFC now as opposed to 15-20 years ago. But yeah, his is pie in the sky horseshit they aren't doping or taking as good of stuff.
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yeah, but who has money for all that? Jon Jones? lol, he's one of the highest paid MMA fighters ever and still got caught how many times? i never said they're not on PEDs, i'm saying they can't just roid out of their fuckin minds. and they definitely don't have the money for cutting edge LeBron playing at the highest level for decades type shit that the big 3 sports in America are on. and even there, there is nobody that looks like Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, or Canseco anymore in MLB.

the difference between Olympians and your average MMA fighter is lightyears. you're repping your country, your country ain't gonna let you shit the bed, especially if you're Eastern Euro/Asian. MMA is not that serious. why does HW look like a bunch of low test dadbods? meanwhile 20 yrs ago, Coleman, Randleman, Kerr, Don Frye, Bob Sapp, Kimo, Shamrock, horselegs Mirko, Wand etc., ALL look like comic book characters?
 
The science behind weight cutting has advanced. Which has also lead to guys pushing the boundaries harder. Makes miscalculations or trip ups in the process of it very costly in the weight they manage to get to.
 
Guys used to cut the day before and wakeup Friday morning to finish the last few pounds. Now guys are just waking up at 2am and sweating it out up till the morning weigh in. It's an all in approach because if you come up short, you've got no time.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
yeah, but who has money for all that? Jon Jones? lol, he's one of the highest paid MMA fighters ever and still got caught how many times? i never said they're not on PEDs, i'm saying they can't just roid out of their fuckin minds. and they definitely don't have the money for cutting edge LeBron playing at the highest level for decades type shit that the big 3 sports in America are on. and even there, there is nobody that looks like Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, or Canseco anymore in MLB.

the difference between Olympians and your average MMA fighter is lightyears. you're repping your country, your country ain't gonna let you shit the bed, especially if you're Eastern Euro/Asian. MMA is not that serious. why does HW look like a bunch of low test dadbods? meanwhile 20 yrs ago, Coleman, Randleman, Kerr, Don Frye, Bob Sapp, Kimo, Shamrock, horselegs Mirko, Wand etc., ALL look like comic book characters?
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that's because a lot of those guys added glamor muscles and in general were fighting up in weight classes. josh barnett fought around that time and pissed hot plenty of times and doesn't look anything like Randleman, Coleman or Wanderlei. Ken Shamrock flat out was doing body building. It's not optimal to be built like Kimo for most people.


HW guys look like dad bods because people know that adding fat isn't a big deal when you fight at heavyweight, or simply put, they do not care about how they look. Pride was basically a pro wrestling company, which has a strong emphasis on physique.


PEDs are not that expensive, normal people can afford them. There isn't some billion dollar PED that is billion times better than an affordable one. Cutting edge ones that squeeze out a bit more are still 'only' worth a few thousands. Plenty of fighters can afford them, especially if Ken Shamrock and Kerr could afford PEDs back in the 90s. Most guys are juicing in MMA still.
 
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