why do people act like theyre so afraid of self driving cars?

Would you strap your young child in an let it take him to his daycare ?
 
headkicktoleg said:
Maybe the person was deemed to be less than optimal for society.
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He was the president of Volvo if I recall properly. They were doing a demonstration of the automated braking system and the car didn't brake at all.
 
LC Shepard said:
Have you seen just how dumb bot A.I. is in games? I am not letting the same thing drive me.
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bot AI can destroy the average player in nearly every game. Try playing a high level game against the computer in chess and see if you survive. Or even a game like Starcraft.

Yes, the very best human players can beat AI- but that's like saying professional race car drivers are better at driving than AI to argue against autonomous cars. The AVERAGE human sucks at driving and is prone to too many errors and distractions. Even shitty AI beats them. And it's getting better by the day.
 
This thread is full of men who can't parallel park, much less change a tire. I suppose a chip implant sounds better than carrying keys and a wallet.
 
A self driving car may be a better driver than the average driver, however it is not a better driver than a really good driver.
 
bad seed said:
bot AI can destroy the average player in nearly every game. Try playing a high level game against the computer in chess and see if you survive. Or even a game like Starcraft.

Yes, the very best human players can beat AI- but that's like saying professional race car drivers are better at driving than AI to argue against autonomous cars. The AVERAGE human sucks at driving and is prone to too many errors and distractions. Even shitty AI beats them. And it's getting better by the day.
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Its not that simple. Chess has been mastered by AI, that is true, but its a very easy game to apply AI to.

The starcraft AI is good, but its worse than any decent player. The way the make it hard is by giving it unnatural advantages. In the original starcraft they could not make the AI hard enough, so instead they made it gain more minerals than a player could gather per worker run.

And that is true in most games. Its not the AI being good, its the developers allowing the AI to cheat by bending the rules of the game in its favor by giving bots more HP, faster CDs, etc. which is a different thing.

You cant bend reality in the real world. You cant give the car more HP, wallhack or breaks that overpower the laws of physics. Its therefore far more complex. That us why I am not so eager to let a car drive me. I bug/exploit bots in games all the time.

When they master Starcraft 2, then we can talk. But to my knowledge there hasn't been any update on how successful Deepmind is in doing that.
 
bad seed said:
bot AI can destroy the average player in nearly every game. Try playing a high level game against the computer in chess and see if you survive. Or even a game like Starcraft.

Yes, the very best human players can beat AI- but that's like saying professional race car drivers are better at driving than AI to argue against autonomous cars. The AVERAGE human sucks at driving and is prone to too many errors and distractions. Even shitty AI beats them. And it's getting better by the day.
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Edit: The guy above me already hit the part where game developers make AI harder by letting it cheat not by making it smarter.

Playing spreadsheet grand strategy games like any Paradox Studios game is kind of a joke against AI. In their WW2 grand strategy game, a game they've had four iterations of to work the kinks out, Japan still can't successfully invade a single island in the pacific. They are completely incapable of making an AI opponent than can handle naval invasions with any kind of success. The entire Total War series also has this same problem. You can play 1000 hours and never see the AI launch any sort of concentrated amphibious attack.

If they devoted a team of scientists and a supercomputer to do nothing but mastering a single game it would be better than any human in an even match, but most strategy games are asymmetrical unlike chess, and one side enters with a advantage so technically even if an AI plays perfectly if the human is in a better starting position they could still win playing sub-optimally whereas in chess that is impossible.

Until IBM wants to make deep blue: Warhammer its not hard for a decent human player to beat a AI with significant handicaps in favor of the AI.
 
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I personally cannot wait. I hate driving in the cities. Absolutely fucking hate it. I’ll drive country and highway roads all day long. I’m pro at deer dodging. But the day I can hop into a vehicle and just relax is the day I’ll be a happy man.

Our speeds will probably be higher on the roads eventually thanks to self driving cars. Also less congestion even with more traffic. Just have no idea how they’re going to do self driving vehicles for us in the snow belt. Can’t see how they do that.
 
My electronic shit is always doing stuff it shouldn't and breaking down/ glitching. You can restart a computer when it malfunctions but you can't restart a persons head that has been smashed. Imaging driving at 100kms an hour and getting a blue screen of death (literally). Also what about some sick fuck hacker overriding the system and smashing you into a wall for fun. Someone mentioned credit cards over the internet as being an example of people not trusting but slowly gaining trust, but they forgot to mention the huge amount of credit card fraud that occurs digitally due to hacking, unsafe systems and the short sightedness of designers etc....because there is someone always trying to hack shit. I might not trust people driving their own cars but I would rather have it in my hands to foresee the actions of idiots and have it in my hands to dodge.
 
People are afraid of a computer operating a vehicle because they have used Windows. They are afraid they will randomly crash for no apparent reason.
 
Driving in snow is something that I don't think that SDC are ready for yet. It's hard enough to tell where the lines on the road are when the roads are covered in ice & snow. It's also an art of always being ready to tap on the breaks every time you feel your car about to start sliding when the roads are slick. I'm not afraid of change and welcome it when they perfect the system, but lets don't act like its already a perfect system that should be implemented immediately. Just like any new technology its going to cost a whole bunch when it first comes out for a product where they haven't perfected yet but as time goes on the system will get better and prices will also drop where the common person will be able to afford them.

Lets say in 20 years when SDC become the rule and not the exception will there even be a need for people to get drivers licenses anymore or will it be more of an operators license.
 
Lethal_Striker said:
Driving in snow is something that I don't think that SDC are ready for yet. It's hard enough to tell where the lines on the road are when the roads are covered in ice & snow. It's also an art of always being ready to tap on the breaks every time you feel your car about to start sliding when the roads are slick. I'm not afraid of change and welcome it when they perfect the system, but lets don't act like its already a perfect system that should be implemented immediately. Just like any new technology its going to cost a whole bunch when it first comes out for a product where they haven't perfected yet but as time goes on the system will get better and prices will also drop where the common person will be able to afford them.

Lets say in 20 years when SDC become the rule and not the exception will there even be a need for people to get drivers licenses anymore or will it be more of an operators license.
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The LIDAR systems might be better able to tell where the road is in snow than a human can. Why would you tap the brakes if you car is sliding? When it's slippery, I avoid the brakes and drive like I don't have any. In slippery conditions you don't want any sudden movements. Use the accelerator like there is a raw egg between your foot and the pedal. There are already computers controlling braking and acceleration in traction control systems that are on many cars and have been since the turn of the century. The wheel speed sensors allow the computer to better tell the amount of traction than a human can by the seat of pants feel.
 
The computer that will run these cars will be smart but it will have no morals.
The car ends up heading towards a group of kids on the pavement, there is also a grannie walking next to them waking her dog.
Which one does the car hit? Most people would hit the granny, but would the car?
 
I can’t wait for self driving cars to be the only thing on the road. People can’t fucking drive for shit. Do you know how much better traffic will flow without a bunch of morons running into each other and then a bunch of other morons slowing down just to watch?
 
Computers fuck up or freeze all the time.

Thats why
 
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